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From: T. Keating on 29 May 2010 09:02 On Sat, 29 May 2010 07:39:22 GMT, "Alex P." <alexp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >"T. Keating" <tkusenet(a)ktcnslt.com> ha scritto nel messaggio >news:6bi00619peocks03vfclnbhcopvld8uleg(a)4ax.com... >> On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:16:48 GMT, "Alex P." <alexp(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> soc newsgroups snipped in this reply.. >> >>> >>>"Helmut Wabnig" <hwabnig@ .- --- -. dotat> ha scritto nel messaggio >>>news:5n7sv5tumujj5jkts64098t8hgq5aq0uuv(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 26 May 2010 22:00:53 GMT, habshi(a)anony.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>photo on >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/mira-ev-shatters-previous-record-by-running-more-than-1000km-on-a-single-charge/ >>>>>Cant find youtube video >>>>> >>>>>Amazing stuff! Now wind and solar energy will supply all our transport >>>>>needs as well. >>>> >>>> Calculate! >>>> Battery + motor efficiency, >>>> (how much of the fed charge do you get back as drive) >>>> and then, >>>> how many nuclear power plants will be needed to charge >>>> all electric vehicles. >>> >>>It takes about 15 to 20 kWh to power an average user scale electric/plugin >>>vehicle for about 100 km. In the US, where the distance travelled for >> >> I doubt that, newer EV's will consume 100 to 200 Wh per mile or 6.3 to >> 12.6 kWh per 100km. > >Yes, but the performances are very different than current US vehicles fleet >(not >I live there nor I'm interested in it), if you don't want to do an orange >and apples comparison these are the right numbers indeed, it' s very >difficult to >go down to less than 15 kWh per 100 kWh and even something near 20 kWh per >100 km is a more reasonable figure The BAU model is DEAD... Either our society will adapt to smaller/lighter EV's or it will do without fully enclosed personal transportation. Peak Oil is upon us(NOW) and it's not going to get any better in the future with depletion outstripping new discoveries/production. As for extended range, once enough EV's are on the road I expect our society will produce a small low drag trailer with extra cargo space and a small gas/diesel generator & fuel tank. I would not be surprised if we end up renting them out like U-haul trailers.. I expect most long distance big rig trips will be outlawed/severly restricted and/or become too expensive. Instead most container/cargo trips will be replaced by electrified rail transportation with big rigs used only for local deliveries. >>>personal transportation is more than 3 billions miles per year, >> >> Electric bikes are even better.. Less than 0.7 kWh per 100km. >> Wayyy cheaper too.. > >That's right, but it's an other orange and apples comparison, the >performaces of >the two kinds of transportation are quite different. By the way that' s why >I included the very efficient electrification of >collective transportation Sorry, but that's the way it's going to be, The future will NOT be BAU. Human society has reached a nexus point either we adapt and get off fossil fuels or we die off relatively quickly. > >>>http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/tvtw/10febtvt/figure1.cfm >>>they will need more than 900 TWh/year of electricity, or the total nuclear >>>electricity US production. Pratically, personal electric vehicles are only >>>*one possible* strategy to electrificate transportation (both of goods and >>>people) and home heating/conditioning with efficient electric pumps >> >> A little conservation will go a long way.. > >Perfectly agree here > >> At least two thirds of the energy used to power Cable/Sat/DVR set-tops >> (200mil+) is WASTED. On.. but nobody is >> watching/listening/recording.. > >It's irrelevant, the total amount is very tiny in any industrial economy. >Rather, there are huge potential of energy savings in the industrial sector, >particurally in high efficiency electric motors plus inverters The real savings occur when we stop producing massive amounts of material to support the fossil fuel industry. Solar panels, Wind turbines, etc.. are nearly 100% recyclable with very little material lost during their operational lifetimes.. .
From: Y.Porat on 29 May 2010 09:26 On May 27, 9:30 am, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@ .- --- -. dotat> wrote: > On Wed, 26 May 2010 22:00:53 GMT, hab...(a)anony.net wrote: > > >photo on > > >http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/mira-ev-shatters-previous-record-by-ru... > >Cant find youtube video > > >Amazing stuff! Now wind and solar energy will supply all our transport > >needs as well. > > Calculate! > Battery + motor efficiency, > (how much of the fed charge do you get back as drive) > and then, > how many nuclear power plants will be needed to charge > all electric vehicles. > > w. > > >excerpt > > > Eco Factor: Zero-emission electric vehicle betters its own world > >record by running 1000km without recharging. > > >Last month we reported about the Mira EV making a world record by > >traveling 345 miles (555.6km) on a single recharge. The car has now > >made another world record by traveling 1003.184km without a recharge. > >The zero-emission vehicle is powered by 8320 cylindrical lithium-ion > >batteries supplied by Sanyo. > > >The record was created during May 22 to 23, 2010, by a team of drivers > >at Japan Electric Vehicle Club, a civic group based in Tokyo. The car > >ran for 27 and half hours at around 40kph on average. The team will > >soon ask the Guinness World Records to officially recognize the drive ------------------ electricity is no done only by nuclear energy !! and they explained to you that this car is using sun energy as well !!! Y.P ------------------------
From: Androcles on 29 May 2010 09:31 "T. Keating" <tkusenet(a)ktcnslt.com> wrote in message news:5l2206t7h8cd8l1og97n5jumv5ecj6pvaa(a)4ax.com... | On Sat, 29 May 2010 07:39:22 GMT, "Alex P." <alexp(a)gmail.com> wrote: | | > | >"T. Keating" <tkusenet(a)ktcnslt.com> ha scritto nel messaggio | >news:6bi00619peocks03vfclnbhcopvld8uleg(a)4ax.com... | >> On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:16:48 GMT, "Alex P." <alexp(a)gmail.com> wrote: | >> | >> soc newsgroups snipped in this reply.. | >> | >>> | >>>"Helmut Wabnig" <hwabnig@ .- --- -. dotat> ha scritto nel messaggio | >>>news:5n7sv5tumujj5jkts64098t8hgq5aq0uuv(a)4ax.com... | >>>> On Wed, 26 May 2010 22:00:53 GMT, habshi(a)anony.net wrote: | >>>> | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>>photo on | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>>http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/mira-ev-shatters-previous-record-by-running-more-than-1000km-on-a-single-charge/ | >>>>>Cant find youtube video | >>>>> | >>>>>Amazing stuff! Now wind and solar energy will supply all our transport | >>>>>needs as well. | >>>> | >>>> Calculate! | >>>> Battery + motor efficiency, | >>>> (how much of the fed charge do you get back as drive) | >>>> and then, | >>>> how many nuclear power plants will be needed to charge | >>>> all electric vehicles. | >>> | >>>It takes about 15 to 20 kWh to power an average user scale electric/plugin | >>>vehicle for about 100 km. In the US, where the distance travelled for | >> | >> I doubt that, newer EV's will consume 100 to 200 Wh per mile or 6.3 to | >> 12.6 kWh per 100km. | > | >Yes, but the performances are very different than current US vehicles fleet | >(not | >I live there nor I'm interested in it), if you don't want to do an orange | >and apples comparison these are the right numbers indeed, it' s very | >difficult to | >go down to less than 15 kWh per 100 kWh and even something near 20 kWh per | >100 km is a more reasonable figure | | The BAU model is DEAD... Either our society will adapt to | smaller/lighter EV's or it will do without fully enclosed personal | transportation. | | Peak Oil is upon us(NOW) and it's not going to get any better in the | future with depletion outstripping new discoveries/production. | | As for extended range, once enough EV's are on the road I expect our | society will produce a small low drag trailer with extra cargo space | and a small gas/diesel generator & fuel tank. I would not be | surprised if we end up renting them out like U-haul trailers.. | | I expect most long distance big rig trips will be outlawed/severly | restricted and/or become too expensive. Instead most container/cargo | trips will be replaced by electrified rail transportation with big | rigs used only for local deliveries. | | >>>personal transportation is more than 3 billions miles per year, | >> | >> Electric bikes are even better.. Less than 0.7 kWh per 100km. | >> Wayyy cheaper too.. | > | >That's right, but it's an other orange and apples comparison, the | >performaces of | >the two kinds of transportation are quite different. By the way that' s why | >I included the very efficient electrification of | >collective transportation | | Sorry, but that's the way it's going to be, The future will NOT be | BAU. Human society has reached a nexus point either we adapt and get | off fossil fuels or we die off relatively quickly. | What a strange idea... a flock of sheep adapting itself to get off grass or become lamb chops relatively quickly. Don't you know it's the lone wolf that adapts itself to get off fresh meat and eat carrion to survive? Human society is a swarm of locusts, it can't adapt while brown locusts hate green locusts and both swarms are eating the same meadow.
From: Tom on 29 May 2010 11:32 "T. Keating" <tkusenet(a)ktcnslt.com> wrote in message news:5l2206t7h8cd8l1og97n5jumv5ecj6pvaa(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 29 May 2010 07:39:22 GMT, "Alex P." <alexp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > As for extended range, once enough EV's are on the road I expect our > society will produce a small low drag trailer with extra cargo space > and a small gas/diesel generator & fuel tank. I would not be > surprised if we end up renting them out like U-haul trailers.. > This is a cracking idea. This is such a good idea that if it'd have been my idea I would have kept my mouth shut about it and touted it around the larger EV companies. Diesel gennies can be pretty efficient run at a constant speed, but bloody annoying to have to listen to. Having it in a trailer (perhaps with an automatic start function) is definitely the right place to have it, and the ability to hire it as and when needed would make good sense to the majority of people who would only need the extra range a few times a year. Tom
From: 7 on 29 May 2010 11:38
wrote: > On Wed, 26 May 2010 22:00:53 GMT, habshi(a)anony.net wrote: > >> >> >>photo on >> >> >>http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/mira-ev-shatters-previous-record-by- running-more-than-1000km-on-a-single-charge/ >>Cant find youtube video >> >>Amazing stuff! Now wind and solar energy will supply all our transport >>needs as well. > > Calculate! > Battery + motor efficiency, > (how much of the fed charge do you get back as drive) > and then, > how many nuclear power plants will be needed to charge > all electric vehicles. 80%+ of the power generated by a typical power station never reaches the consumer. It goes towards heating the overhead cables. Power companies don't want you or their politicians to know that. That is be cause of big power wanting to build big plants remotely and install cables everywhere which is more money and work for them. That is why power should be generated more close to where its needed. Like for example solar panels on roof tops and wind generators in your garden. There should be legislation to give you more money for locally generated power from solar panels and windmills feeding back into the grid because it has shorter distance to travel, heats up less cables and thus delivers more of the sent power to somewhere needed than inefficient 80% loss that consumers have to pay to electricity companies so that those companies may live. Its the *ONLY* way they can show a profit at your expense. > > > w. > > > > > >>excerpt >> >> Eco Factor: Zero-emission electric vehicle betters its own world >>record by running 1000km without recharging. >> >>Last month we reported about the Mira EV making a world record by >>traveling 345 miles (555.6km) on a single recharge. The car has now >>made another world record by traveling 1003.184km without a recharge. >>The zero-emission vehicle is powered by 8320 cylindrical lithium-ion >>batteries supplied by Sanyo. >> >>The record was created during May 22 to 23, 2010, by a team of drivers >>at Japan Electric Vehicle Club, a civic group based in Tokyo. The car >>ran for 27 and half hours at around 40kph on average. The team will >>soon ask the Guinness World Records to officially recognize the drive |