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From: jimp on 29 May 2010 13:55 In sci.physics 7 <website_has_email(a)www.enemygadgets.com> wrote: > wrote: > 80%+ of the power generated by a typical power station never reaches > the consumer. It goes towards heating the overhead cables. > Power companies don't want you or their politicians to know that. Utter nonsense. If that were true the power lines would be glowing at night. I suppose you also believe that the beer makers pour 80% of their product down the drain as an excuse to build more and bigger brewries? -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply.
From: Tom on 30 May 2010 05:59 "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:htrhuk11vgf(a)news6.newsguy.com... > On 5/29/2010 11:32 AM, Tom wrote: >> "T. Keating"<tkusenet(a)ktcnslt.com> wrote in message >> news:5l2206t7h8cd8l1og97n5jumv5ecj6pvaa(a)4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 07:39:22 GMT, "Alex P."<alexp(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> As for extended range, once enough EV's are on the road I expect our >>> society will produce a small low drag trailer with extra cargo space >>> and a small gas/diesel generator& fuel tank. I would not be >>> surprised if we end up renting them out like U-haul trailers.. >>> >> >> This is a cracking idea. >> >> This is such a good idea that if it'd have been my idea I would have >> kept >> my mouth shut about it and touted it around the larger EV companies. >> Diesel >> gennies can be pretty efficient run at a constant speed, but bloody >> annoying >> to have to listen to. Having it in a trailer (perhaps with an automatic >> start function) is definitely the right place to have it, and the ability >> to >> hire it as and when needed would make good sense to the majority of >> people >> who would only need the extra range a few times a year. > > Now there's a brilliant solution, burn diesel fuel in an inefficient > generator in order to take a trip. > > Sorry, but if you can't drive it from NY to LA conveniently without having > to have a trailer hitch installed and rent a generator trailer or drive 60 > miles and spend the night while it recharges it's a niche product. People > who can afford several cars might go for it but very few people will rely > on such a thing for their primary transportation. > Yes that's right, burn diesel fuel 4 or 5 times per year in an inefficient generator, rather than burn it every day in an inefficient car engine (although a good diesel genny can be considerably more efficient than a petrol engine, especially when used at its optimum speed) I can't speak for you, but my daily commute is a round trip of about 10 miles. At weekends I rarely go more than 50 miles, so I need an extended range about 4 or 5 times a year. I don't need to haul an ICE around for 360 days a year just so it's there for the 4 or 5 times I do need it. I could rent an ICE car for those longer trips, or I could rent an ICE trailer to power my own car. Not that I'd consider driving from NY to LA anyway, that's what planes and trains are for. Tom
From: jmfbahciv on 30 May 2010 08:40 jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics 7 <website_has_email(a)www.enemygadgets.com> wrote: >> wrote: > > >> 80%+ of the power generated by a typical power station never reaches >> the consumer. It goes towards heating the overhead cables. >> Power companies don't want you or their politicians to know that. > > Utter nonsense. > > If that were true the power lines would be glowing at night. This nonsense sounds like something that is coming from an "official" source. Keep an eye out for who it is. > > I suppose you also believe that the beer makers pour 80% of their product > down the drain as an excuse to build more and bigger brewries? > > Nah, that goes to the pigs and road crews for deicing. /BAH
From: J. Clarke on 30 May 2010 09:15 On 5/30/2010 5:59 AM, Tom wrote: > "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message > news:htrhuk11vgf(a)news6.newsguy.com... >> On 5/29/2010 11:32 AM, Tom wrote: >>> "T. Keating"<tkusenet(a)ktcnslt.com> wrote in message >>> news:5l2206t7h8cd8l1og97n5jumv5ecj6pvaa(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 07:39:22 GMT, "Alex P."<alexp(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> As for extended range, once enough EV's are on the road I expect our >>>> society will produce a small low drag trailer with extra cargo space >>>> and a small gas/diesel generator& fuel tank. I would not be >>>> surprised if we end up renting them out like U-haul trailers.. >>>> >>> >>> This is a cracking idea. >>> >>> This is such a good idea that if it'd have been my idea I would have >>> kept >>> my mouth shut about it and touted it around the larger EV companies. >>> Diesel >>> gennies can be pretty efficient run at a constant speed, but bloody >>> annoying >>> to have to listen to. Having it in a trailer (perhaps with an automatic >>> start function) is definitely the right place to have it, and the ability >>> to >>> hire it as and when needed would make good sense to the majority of >>> people >>> who would only need the extra range a few times a year. >> >> Now there's a brilliant solution, burn diesel fuel in an inefficient >> generator in order to take a trip. >> >> Sorry, but if you can't drive it from NY to LA conveniently without having >> to have a trailer hitch installed and rent a generator trailer or drive 60 >> miles and spend the night while it recharges it's a niche product. People >> who can afford several cars might go for it but very few people will rely >> on such a thing for their primary transportation. >> > > Yes that's right, burn diesel fuel 4 or 5 times per year in an inefficient > generator, rather than burn it every day in an inefficient car engine > (although a good diesel genny can be considerably more efficient than a > petrol engine, especially when used at its optimum speed) Earth to Tom, diesel cars are readily available. And show that the system efficiency for an electric car is greater than for a good conventional car. > I can't speak for you, but my daily commute is a round trip of about 10 > miles. At weekends I rarely go more than 50 miles, so I need an extended > range about 4 or 5 times a year. Yeah, niche product for someone who can afford a dedicated commuter car. Have you ever asked your wife how far she drives? Not "on average", but on a typical trip? > I don't need to haul an ICE around for 360 > days a year just so it's there for the 4 or 5 times I do need it. I could > rent an ICE car for those longer trips, Maybe you don't. Who does the shopping in your family? Draw a 30 mile circle around your house and then find out what stores you would need to rend a trailer to visit. > or I could rent an ICE trailer to > power my own car. Not that I'd consider driving from NY to LA anyway, that's > what planes and trains are for. Yeah. Rich person thinking.
From: Tom on 30 May 2010 13:54
"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:http8v02uiu(a)news3.newsguy.com... > > Earth to Tom, diesel cars are readily available. Yes, I have owned several, but as I pointed out, many people (myself included) would rather not haul an internal combustion engine around with us for the mileage we do. > >> I can't speak for you, but my daily commute is a round trip of about 10 >> miles. At weekends I rarely go more than 50 miles, so I need an extended >> range about 4 or 5 times a year. > > Yeah, niche product for someone who can afford a dedicated commuter car. > I wouldn't describe 360 days a year as a dedicated commuter car ... I'd describe it as "a car" > Have you ever asked your wife how far she drives? Not "on average", but > on a typical trip? > As she works in the same building as me we travel mostly together. >> I don't need to haul an ICE around for 360 >> days a year just so it's there for the 4 or 5 times I do need it. I could >> rent an ICE car for those longer trips, > > Maybe you don't. Who does the shopping in your family? Draw a 30 mile > circle around your house and then find out what stores you would need to > rend a trailer to visit. > Grocery shopping we do on the way home from work, all other shopping she does in the city where we work ... 5 miles away from home. >> or I could rent an ICE trailer to >> power my own car. Not that I'd consider driving from NY to LA anyway, >> that's >> what planes and trains are for. > > Yeah. Rich person thinking. At UK petrol prices, I couldn't afford to drive 3000 miles (plus motels on the way) when I could fly for $412 or take the train for $193 ( and I'm amazed that rail travel is so cheap in the US, and yet so under used.) Tom |