From: life imitates life on
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:23:51 -0500, Meat Plow <.> wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:39:44 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
><dave(a)davenoise.co.uk>wrote:
>
>>In article <3gttkt.5qe.17.6(a)news.alt.net>,
>> Meat Plow wrote:
>>> > The Lindstroms are worth the extra outlay if a long term, personal tool
>>> >is desired. For a production level, multi-user tool, the lower quality
>>> >steel, shorter life span brands are cheaper and are the better value for
>>> >such a setting. It just depends on who the tool is for, how well they
>>> >take care of their tools, and the term you wish the tool to last for.
>>
>>> Never heard of Lindstrom
>>
>>Fairly well known as the 'Rolls Royce' of cutters etc. But debatable if
>>they are worth the cost. If you're only doing the things those cutters
>>were designed for, like snipping copper leads, cheaper ones treated as
>>disposable can be fine. And use a 'disposed' of pair for the things that
>>could damage the good ones.
>>
>>But I do have some Lindstrom tools.
>
>I don't doubt they are the cat's meow. I use a pair of side cuts for
>anything less larger than 20. My nippers were always for nipping leads
>from caps, diodes, etc.... The shearing edges are just too soft.



Not on Lindstrom steel, it isn't. They use ball bearing steel. The
"shearing edges" are flawless.

BTW, side cutters perform NO shearing action whatsoever. They are not
shears. They are snips. Blades and seats strike into each other. On a
shear, the blades cross each other.
From: Geoffrey S. Mendelson on
Fred Abse wrote:
> Not *that* small. Many longtime employees with irreplaceable skills who
> know better than to borrow tools without asking. They have their own
> tools. If they want more, we buy them. They wouldn't lend me theirs,
> not that I'd ask.
>
> It's called discipline and commitment.
>

It's also a cultural thing. Here there is a much more socialist attitude
where the company owns the tools, and not the employees. Everything is
shared among the workers.

Pisses (angers for you UK types) the hell out of me, but it's the way
everyone thinks. People would even unlock my desk to get to my tools.

Note that until the mid 1990's no one was paid enough money to own their
own tools, and to this day very few are.

I recently resarched this because someone asked me about starting business
here that they had in the US. They have a tool franchise and drive around
in a van selling tools to craftsmen, mechanincs, etc.

It does not translate well, the workers can't afford the tools, and the
employers would rather buy a high end chinese tool than a high end
US/EU made tool because it is likely to get broken, lost or stolen.

Geoff.

--
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From: life imitates life on
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:45:09 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greegor47(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>Are you saying that the outfit that
>Sansui Samurai described as having
>gone belly up did the right thing by
>buying $5000 worth of Rolls Royce
>hand tools rather than the Xcelite
>ones which would have cost $600?

No. I am saying that your claim that it is any indication of a
causation for having gone bankrupt, is a fallacy, and it is.
From: Archimedes' Lever on
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:41:30 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greegor47(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>That you disagree does not make something a logical fallacy.


No, but the remark was incorrect because there are plenty of examples
of companies that have no problem stocking or using expensive items along
with their other assets.

Your remark had/has absolutely no basis in fact.
And that "theftability" remark was about as stupid as it gets.
From: Mark F on
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:29:29 -0800, DaveC <invalid(a)invalid.net> wrote:

> I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
> about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
> components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.
>
> I think they were Xcelite.
>
> I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
> straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.
>
> Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
> but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave


Lindstrom Precision seems to have some choices:
http://www.restockit.com/4-Angled-Fc-Pliers-(188-GA54JV).html?source=froogle&Bvar5=100F1&Bvar6=100F1&Bvar7=100F1

perhaps model 7280 or model 7285
Expensive: I found US$73 for 7280, US$110 for 7285,

http://rocky.digikey.com/weblib/Cooper%20Tools/Web%20Data/Xcelite%20Catalog.pdf
449 (54 of 122) Xcelite Diagonal End Cutter Pliers
Angled Diagonal End Cutter, GA54J and GA5A4JV
(packaging difference only) maybe US$23

450 (55 of 122) has
Angled Head Cutter EGA54J,
Transverse End Cutter EC54{J,JV} - may not be shape you want.
Maybe $US36
Angled Tip Cutter LC665{J,JV} maybe US$27

All cost estimates from www.froogle.com; all price estimates are
probably exclusive of handling, shipping, taxes, etc.