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From: Bret Cahill on 13 Nov 2009 17:55 > > There is ONE well in the south > > Atlantic (still under development) that has > > reserves sufficient to supply USA with all > > its' needs for centuries. > > > In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China, > > Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles > > below the surface. > > > Want to know more Google for "Tupi", > > Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot > > Biosphere" ... > > There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to > Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world > uses 31 billion a year. Some are calling it "The Long Goodbye." It'll be a "long goodbye" for those making over several hundred thousand a year. For the rest it will be a fast and ugly down grading of lifestyle. Bret Cahill
From: John Larkin on 13 Nov 2009 19:13 On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:10:17 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill <BretCahill(a)aol.com> wrote: >> >> Even the prototype is only $100K. >> >> >> http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218400113&cid... >> >> >> Leave the big engine in there for the road trips. >> >> >> The unsprung weight doubles and the batteries might not always be near >> >> the original design center of mass but aside from that it's a really >> >> good idea. >> >> >I came up with a similar idea a few years ago. >> >> >http://www.smart.net/~pstech/SHAMPAC.htm >> >> >It was too big a project for me alone and I had other priorities. There was >> >also the problem of making an electric motor that had sufficient torque and >> >speed for direct drive requirements, and I had planned to use a reduction >> >chain drive, but that added some mechanical engineering challenges. But I >> >found wheel hub motors available and in-use. And I found another website >> >that described how to replace the alternator with a larger motor/generator >> >which could be used to provide additional power from a battery bank and >> >also be used for regenerative braking. But that was not very efficient >> >because there was no easy way to unload the ICE to run on electric power >> >alone. >> >> >I recently saw the movie "End of Suburbia"http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ >> >which gives a lot of insight into how we in the US got into the situation >> >we are now in, and the ramifications of "Peak Oil", which is where we are >> >now or will be in a few years. >> >> Peak oil is always a few years ahead. >> >> �Cheap energy fueled the flight to the >> >> >suburbs and the inherently wasteful concept of long commutes and sprawling >> >individual houses for small families and individuals. >> >> Cheap oil changed a predominantly rural, farming society into a >> primarily urban one. >> >> �Auto makers and oil >> >> >companies made more profits as such a lifestyle became more popular. >> >> Of course. In the process they made us far, far more efficient and >> prosperous and healthy than we had been. >> >> �But >> >> >there is a finite amount of oil in the ground, and even though we are >> >unlikely to "run out" suddenly like draining a gas tank, it will become >> >increasingly costly to extract, and price will rise exponentially as demand >> >continues to increase, until most people simply will not have the money to >> >afford it. >> >> They will buy less as the price increases. This will happen slowly, >> and people will adapt. >> >> >> >> >The economy relies on increased growth which is untenable globally, so we >> >will need to adapt to an economy based on sustainable moderation and >> >reduction of spending. Our economy as presently configured is doomed >> >because it depends on continued sales of items that are based on cheap >> >energy, materials, transportation, and labor. Much of the economy is about >> >trade in items that are not essential and based on rapid obsolescence to be >> >discarded and replaced. But we may very well. in our lifetimes, see a point >> >where it will become difficult for most people to afford the essential >> >food, clothing, shelter, and heating that are now taken for granted. >> >> Food and clothing in the USA are incredibly cheap; go to a Wal-Mart >> and see. Houses are available in Detroit for $1. > >And when the recession is over the price of fuel will soar to $10/ >gallon and beyond. > And it will still be cheaper than a gallon of milk. John
From: krw on 13 Nov 2009 19:21 On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:13:51 -0800, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:10:17 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill ><BretCahill(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>> >> Even the prototype is only $100K. >>> >>> >> http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218400113&cid... >>> >>> >> Leave the big engine in there for the road trips. >>> >>> >> The unsprung weight doubles and the batteries might not always be near >>> >> the original design center of mass but aside from that it's a really >>> >> good idea. >>> >>> >I came up with a similar idea a few years ago. >>> >>> >http://www.smart.net/~pstech/SHAMPAC.htm >>> >>> >It was too big a project for me alone and I had other priorities. There was >>> >also the problem of making an electric motor that had sufficient torque and >>> >speed for direct drive requirements, and I had planned to use a reduction >>> >chain drive, but that added some mechanical engineering challenges. But I >>> >found wheel hub motors available and in-use. And I found another website >>> >that described how to replace the alternator with a larger motor/generator >>> >which could be used to provide additional power from a battery bank and >>> >also be used for regenerative braking. But that was not very efficient >>> >because there was no easy way to unload the ICE to run on electric power >>> >alone. >>> >>> >I recently saw the movie "End of Suburbia"http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ >>> >which gives a lot of insight into how we in the US got into the situation >>> >we are now in, and the ramifications of "Peak Oil", which is where we are >>> >now or will be in a few years. >>> >>> Peak oil is always a few years ahead. >>> >>> �Cheap energy fueled the flight to the >>> >>> >suburbs and the inherently wasteful concept of long commutes and sprawling >>> >individual houses for small families and individuals. >>> >>> Cheap oil changed a predominantly rural, farming society into a >>> primarily urban one. >>> >>> �Auto makers and oil >>> >>> >companies made more profits as such a lifestyle became more popular. >>> >>> Of course. In the process they made us far, far more efficient and >>> prosperous and healthy than we had been. >>> >>> �But >>> >>> >there is a finite amount of oil in the ground, and even though we are >>> >unlikely to "run out" suddenly like draining a gas tank, it will become >>> >increasingly costly to extract, and price will rise exponentially as demand >>> >continues to increase, until most people simply will not have the money to >>> >afford it. >>> >>> They will buy less as the price increases. This will happen slowly, >>> and people will adapt. >>> >>> >>> >>> >The economy relies on increased growth which is untenable globally, so we >>> >will need to adapt to an economy based on sustainable moderation and >>> >reduction of spending. Our economy as presently configured is doomed >>> >because it depends on continued sales of items that are based on cheap >>> >energy, materials, transportation, and labor. Much of the economy is about >>> >trade in items that are not essential and based on rapid obsolescence to be >>> >discarded and replaced. But we may very well. in our lifetimes, see a point >>> >where it will become difficult for most people to afford the essential >>> >food, clothing, shelter, and heating that are now taken for granted. >>> >>> Food and clothing in the USA are incredibly cheap; go to a Wal-Mart >>> and see. Houses are available in Detroit for $1. >> >>And when the recession is over the price of fuel will soar to $10/ >>gallon and beyond. >> > >And it will still be cheaper than a gallon of milk. Or pint of coffee.
From: leonard78sp on 13 Nov 2009 20:08 On Nov 13, 5:12 pm, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: > "leonard7...(a)gmail.com" wrote: > > > On Nov 12, 10:41 pm, John Larkin > > <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> .wrote: > > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:12:39 -0500, "Paul E. Schoen" > > > > Peak oil is always a few years ahead. > > > "Peak Oil" at the present time, has evolved > > from a production modeling resource into > > a marketing scam. > > > It worked quite well in 1956 to accurately > > predict that United States oil production > > would peak between 1965 and 1970. But > > when Hubbert turned to foreign sources > > he lost his way not understanding the way > > Arabs and Russians do business, > > > Unquestionably, Peak Oil's models were > > responsible for the surge in prices for crude in > > the futures markets. Added to that the API's > > reluctance to accept the concept of "abiotic oil" > > allowed the Sa'uds and Russians to conceal > > their increased resources by drilling their old > > unproductive holes deeper. > > > > Cheap energy fueled the flight to the > > > >suburbs and the inherently wasteful concept of long commutes and sprawling > > > >individual houses for small families and individuals. > > > > Cheap oil changed a predominantly rural, farming society into a > > > primarily urban one. > > > > Auto makers and oil > > > >companies made more profits as such a lifestyle became more popular. > > > > Of course. In the process they made us far, far more efficient and > > > prosperous and healthy than we had been. > > > > But > > > >there is a finite amount of oil in the ground, > > > Bullshit!!!! There is ONE well in the south > > Atlantic (still under development) that has > > reserves sufficient to supply USA with all > > its' needs for centuries. > > > In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China, > > Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles > > below the surface. > > > Want to know more Google for "Tupi", > > Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot > > Biosphere" ... > > There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to > Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world > uses 31 billion a year. You are too lazy, jim. You took the first estimate when they hit oil. It has been revised upward 3 or more times. Petrobras is chilling about the numbers but people are speaking of a factor of 100 > > > and even though we are > > > >unlikely to "run out" suddenly like draining a gas tank, it will become > > > >increasingly costly to extract, and price will rise exponentially as demand > > > >continues to increase, until most people simply will not have the money to > > > >afford it. > > > BULLSHIT!!
From: leonard78sp on 13 Nov 2009 20:08
On Nov 13, 5:55 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > There is ONE well in the south > > > Atlantic (still under development) that has > > > reserves sufficient to supply USA with all > > > its' needs for centuries. > > > > In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China, > > > Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles > > > below the surface. > > > > Want to know more Google for "Tupi", > > > Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot > > > Biosphere" ... > > > There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to > > Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world > > uses 31 billion a year. Is there something wrong in your hallucinations Some US jackasses do think USA "IS" the world. |