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From: leonard78sp on 13 Nov 2009 22:05 On Nov 13, 8:18 pm, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: > "leonard7...(a)gmail.com" wrote: > > > On Nov 13, 5:12 pm, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: > > > "leonard7...(a)gmail.com" wrote: > > > > > On Nov 12, 10:41 pm, John Larkin > > > > <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> .wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:12:39 -0500, "Paul E. Schoen" > > > > > > Peak oil is always a few years ahead. > > > > > "Peak Oil" at the present time, has evolved > > > > from a production modeling resource into > > > > a marketing scam. > > > > > It worked quite well in 1956 to accurately > > > > predict that United States oil production > > > > would peak between 1965 and 1970. But > > > > when Hubbert turned to foreign sources > > > > he lost his way not understanding the way > > > > Arabs and Russians do business, > > > > > Unquestionably, Peak Oil's models were > > > > responsible for the surge in prices for crude in > > > > the futures markets. Added to that the API's > > > > reluctance to accept the concept of "abiotic oil" > > > > allowed the Sa'uds and Russians to conceal > > > > their increased resources by drilling their old > > > > unproductive holes deeper. > > > > > > Cheap energy fueled the flight to the > > > > > >suburbs and the inherently wasteful concept of long commutes and sprawling > > > > > >individual houses for small families and individuals. > > > > > > Cheap oil changed a predominantly rural, farming society into a > > > > > primarily urban one. > > > > > > Auto makers and oil > > > > > >companies made more profits as such a lifestyle became more popular. > > > > > > Of course. In the process they made us far, far more efficient and > > > > > prosperous and healthy than we had been. > > > > > > But > > > > > >there is a finite amount of oil in the ground, > > > > > Bullshit!!!! There is ONE well in the south > > > > Atlantic (still under development) that has > > > > reserves sufficient to supply USA with all > > > > its' needs for centuries. > > > > > In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China, > > > > Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles > > > > below the surface. > > > > > Want to know more Google for "Tupi", > > > > Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot > > > > Biosphere" ... > > > > There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to > > > Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world > > > uses 31 billion a year. > > > You are too lazy, jim. You took the first > > estimate when they hit oil. It has been revised > > upward 3 or more times. Petrobras is chilling > > about the numbers but people are speaking of > > a factor of 100 > > Hmmm.... All this happened since Nov 12 when petrobras made that > announcement? Go back to grade school, perhaps grade 3 learn to read. There are three types of people that you can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil. 1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the logic of what you say. You have to tell them what is right in very simple terms. If they do not agree, you will never be able to change their mind. 2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes against their religious belief, they will cling to that belief even if it means their death. 3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a million years. There is no way to convince the anthropogenic global warming alarmists, the terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, and predators to change their evil ways, They knew what they were doing was wrong, but knowledge didn't stop them. It only made them more careful in how they went about performing their evil deeds.
From: Bret Cahill on 13 Nov 2009 23:02 > > > > > > There is ONE well in the south > > > > > > Atlantic (still under development) that has > > > > > > reserves sufficient to supply USA with all > > > > > > its' needs for centuries. > > > > > > > In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China, > > > > > > Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles > > > > > > below the surface. > > > > > > > Want to know more Google for "Tupi", > > > > > > Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot > > > > > > Biosphere" ... > > > > > > There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to > > > > > Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world > > > > > uses 31 billion a year. > > > > Is there something wrong in your hallucinations > > > Some US jackasses do think USA "IS" > > > the world. > > > Take another deep huff o your gasoline soaked bag and then explain where > > in the US Brazil can be found. > > You screw up and then try to pass your > stupidity on to me just like jackass Bret > Cahill. Are rightards really going to purge Charlie Crist from the GOP? Bret Cahill
From: Bret Cahill on 13 Nov 2009 23:11 > > > > There is ONE well in the south > > > > Atlantic (still under development) that has > > > > reserves sufficient to supply USA with all > > > > its' needs for centuries. > > > > > In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China, > > > > Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles > > > > below the surface. > > > > > Want to know more Google for "Tupi", > > > > Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot > > > > Biosphere" ... > > > > There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to > > > Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world > > > uses 31 billion a year. > > > Some are calling it "The Long Goodbye." > > > It'll be a "long goodbye" for those making over several hundred > > thousand a year. For millions in India it'll mean a short life. > This is one guy's projection for oil prices from now to 2020: > > http://www.theoildrum.com/files/image2415_0.png There's no way it'll be _that_ cyclical. It would be interesting to know if factors like advances in alternative energy are taken into account. > The bottom graph is the price of oil projected into the future. The grey > areas in the graph are major recessions that bring the price of oil down > after it has spiked to a peak. We are in the first grey area now. Oil will only be affordable when we are in a recession? Bret Cahill
From: Bret Cahill on 13 Nov 2009 23:13 > > There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to > > Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world > > uses 31 billion a year. > > You are too lazy, jim. You took the first > estimate when they hit oil. It has been revised > upward 3 or more times. Petrobras is chilling > about the numbers but people are speaking of > a factor of 100 And to think that on alt.politics rightards were saying Obama shouldn't have invested in this venture! Bret Cahill
From: Bret Cahill on 13 Nov 2009 23:16
> >> >> Even the prototype is only $100K. > > >> >>http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218400113&cid... > > >> >> Leave the big engine in there for the road trips. > > >> >> The unsprung weight doubles and the batteries might not always be near > >> >> the original design center of mass but aside from that it's a really > >> >> good idea. > > >> >I came up with a similar idea a few years ago. > > >> >http://www.smart.net/~pstech/SHAMPAC.htm > > >> >It was too big a project for me alone and I had other priorities. There was > >> >also the problem of making an electric motor that had sufficient torque and > >> >speed for direct drive requirements, and I had planned to use a reduction > >> >chain drive, but that added some mechanical engineering challenges. But I > >> >found wheel hub motors available and in-use. And I found another website > >> >that described how to replace the alternator with a larger motor/generator > >> >which could be used to provide additional power from a battery bank and > >> >also be used for regenerative braking. But that was not very efficient > >> >because there was no easy way to unload the ICE to run on electric power > >> >alone. > > >> >I recently saw the movie "End of Suburbia"http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ > >> >which gives a lot of insight into how we in the US got into the situation > >> >we are now in, and the ramifications of "Peak Oil", which is where we are > >> >now or will be in a few years. > > >> Peak oil is always a few years ahead. > > >> Cheap energy fueled the flight to the > > >> >suburbs and the inherently wasteful concept of long commutes and sprawling > >> >individual houses for small families and individuals. > > >> Cheap oil changed a predominantly rural, farming society into a > >> primarily urban one. > > >> Auto makers and oil > > >> >companies made more profits as such a lifestyle became more popular. > > >> Of course. In the process they made us far, far more efficient and > >> prosperous and healthy than we had been. > > >> But > > >> >there is a finite amount of oil in the ground, and even though we are > >> >unlikely to "run out" suddenly like draining a gas tank, it will become > >> >increasingly costly to extract, and price will rise exponentially as demand > >> >continues to increase, until most people simply will not have the money to > >> >afford it. > > >> They will buy less as the price increases. This will happen slowly, > >> and people will adapt. > > >> >The economy relies on increased growth which is untenable globally, so we > >> >will need to adapt to an economy based on sustainable moderation and > >> >reduction of spending. Our economy as presently configured is doomed > >> >because it depends on continued sales of items that are based on cheap > >> >energy, materials, transportation, and labor. Much of the economy is about > >> >trade in items that are not essential and based on rapid obsolescence to be > >> >discarded and replaced. But we may very well. in our lifetimes, see a point > >> >where it will become difficult for most people to afford the essential > >> >food, clothing, shelter, and heating that are now taken for granted. > > >> Food and clothing in the USA are incredibly cheap; go to a Wal-Mart > >> and see. Houses are available in Detroit for $1. > > >And when the recession is over the price of fuel will soar to $10/ > >gallon and beyond. > > And it will still be cheaper than a gallon of milk. Fuel is already higher than milk. Other commodities like copper and rare earth elements will go up as well but not as fast as fuel. Bret Cahill |