A Measurement of CO2 Climate Forcing, and an estimation of it's increase. [Physics]

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From: Androcles on 5 Aug 2010 02:24

"Claudius Denk" <claudiusdenk(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5daa21bb-575f-4735-b0c2-2851ac8b327e(a)h17g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 4, 3:47 pm, Tom P <werot...(a)freent.dd> wrote:
> On 08/04/2010 08:15 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article<i3bs93$47...(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "Erwin Schroedinger"<erschroedin...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Bill Ward"<bw...(a)ix.REMOVETHISnetcom.com> wrote in message
> >>news:O7mdnXdJx9aEOsXRnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> >>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:21:27 +0200, Tom P wrote:
>
> >>>> On 08/01/2010 11:38 PM, Last Post wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 1, 4:16 pm, Roger Coppock<rcopp...(a)adnc.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> An actual measurement of the climate forcing by CO2 and other
> >>>>>> greenhouse gases, and an estimate of the growth of that forcing
> >>>>>> over
> >>>>>> time.
>
> >>>>> � There is NO climate forcing by CO2 and
> >>>>> "other greenhouse gases"
>
> >>>> So why is Venus so hot?
>
> >>> Because the atmosphere is so massive. Look at the surface pressure
> >>> compared to Earth.
>
> >> A massive atmosphere of, say, N2, would not make a planet hot.
>
> > .... nor would trace amounts of CO2. After all, we are talking about
> > 0.04% concentration -- NOT massive percentages, like Venus.
>
> The greenhouse effect on planet earth is determined primarily by WV and
> CO2. WV operates in the lower troposphere, CO2 above it. This can be
> seen quite clearly in the satellite measurements of the OLWR spectrum.

You AGW whackos are habitual liars.
=============================
Of course. CO2 is a heavier-than-air gas and sinks to the lower troposphere.
You call Tomp a whacko, I call him a clueless arsewipe.

From: JohnM on 5 Aug 2010 02:36

On Aug 5, 8:24 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote:
> "Claudius Denk" <claudiusd...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:5daa21bb-575f-4735-b0c2-2851ac8b327e(a)h17g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 4, 3:47 pm, Tom P <werot...(a)freent.dd> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 08/04/2010 08:15 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>
> > > In article<i3bs93$47...(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > "Erwin Schroedinger"<erschroedin...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> "Bill Ward"<bw...(a)ix.REMOVETHISnetcom.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:O7mdnXdJx9aEOsXRnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> > >>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:21:27 +0200, Tom P wrote:
>
> > >>>> On 08/01/2010 11:38 PM, Last Post wrote:
> > >>>>> On Aug 1, 4:16 pm, Roger Coppock<rcopp...(a)adnc.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> An actual measurement of the climate forcing by CO2 and other
> > >>>>>> greenhouse gases, and an estimate of the growth of that forcing
> > >>>>>> over
> > >>>>>> time.
>
> > >>>>> Ø There is NO climate forcing by CO2 and
> > >>>>> "other greenhouse gases"
>
> > >>>> So why is Venus so hot?
>
> > >>> Because the atmosphere is so massive. Look at the surface pressure
> > >>> compared to Earth.
>
> > >> A massive atmosphere of, say, N2, would not make a planet hot.
>
> > > .... nor would trace amounts of CO2. After all, we are talking about
> > > 0.04% concentration -- NOT massive percentages, like Venus.
>
> > The greenhouse effect on planet earth is determined primarily by WV and
> > CO2. WV operates in the lower troposphere, CO2 above it. This can be
> > seen quite clearly in the satellite measurements of the OLWR spectrum.
>
> You AGW whackos are habitual liars.
> =============================
> Of course. CO2 is a heavier-than-air gas and sinks to the lower troposphere.

Recent measurements confirm the concentration of permanent gases like
CO2 in the mesosphere are all close to those in the troposphere.
Lighter gases only begin to predominate at the thermosphere and beyond.

From: JohnM on 5 Aug 2010 02:42

From: JohnM on 5 Aug 2010 11:46

On Aug 5, 8:24 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote:
> "Claudius Denk" <claudiusd...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:5daa21bb-575f-4735-b0c2-2851ac8b327e(a)h17g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 4, 3:47 pm, Tom P <werot...(a)freent.dd> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 08/04/2010 08:15 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>
> > > In article<i3bs93$47...(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > "Erwin Schroedinger"<erschroedin...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> "Bill Ward"<bw...(a)ix.REMOVETHISnetcom.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:O7mdnXdJx9aEOsXRnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> > >>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:21:27 +0200, Tom P wrote:
>
> > >>>> On 08/01/2010 11:38 PM, Last Post wrote:
> > >>>>> On Aug 1, 4:16 pm, Roger Coppock<rcopp...(a)adnc.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> An actual measurement of the climate forcing by CO2 and other
> > >>>>>> greenhouse gases, and an estimate of the growth of that forcing
> > >>>>>> over
> > >>>>>> time.
>
> > >>>>> Ø There is NO climate forcing by CO2 and
> > >>>>> "other greenhouse gases"
>
> > >>>> So why is Venus so hot?
>
> > >>> Because the atmosphere is so massive. Look at the surface pressure
> > >>> compared to Earth.
>
> > >> A massive atmosphere of, say, N2, would not make a planet hot.
>
> > > .... nor would trace amounts of CO2. After all, we are talking about
> > > 0.04% concentration -- NOT massive percentages, like Venus.
>
> > The greenhouse effect on planet earth is determined primarily by WV and
> > CO2. WV operates in the lower troposphere, CO2 above it. This can be
> > seen quite clearly in the satellite measurements of the OLWR spectrum.
>
> You AGW whackos are habitual liars.
> =============================
> Of course. CO2 is a heavier-than-air gas and sinks to the lower troposphere.
> You call Tomp a whacko, I call him a clueless arsewipe.

One would properly suppose the doyen of clueless arsewipes to be
someone who sends the same message to Usenet three times in succession.

From: Claudius Denk on 5 Aug 2010 12:43

On Aug 4, 8:02 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/4/10 6:43 PM, Claudius Denk wrote:
>
> > You AGW whackos are habitual liars.
>
> Translation: AKA Denk won't look at the scientific evidence.
> Reason for in ignorant attitude: unknown.

No evidence was presented you dishonest twerp. TomP (whose statement
you snipped) did the typical AGW cult thing of claiming to see
evidence that doesn't actually exist.

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