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From: cjcountess on 24 Jan 2010 05:26 Anyone interested This is from post 307 which has link that still works. Goes directly to summary below which goes directly to highlighted example of E=hf/ c^2 in John Archibald Wheeler's book. And the summary below is directly copied from search page, and has exact equation E=hf/c^2. Don't let inertia fool you, he for some reason does'n want people to know this. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4TSHB_.... Using above Google search I found . Spacetime physics: introduction to special relativity - Google Books Result by Edwin F. Taylor, John Archibald Wheeler - 1992 - Science - 312 pages Use the Einstein relation between photon energy £ and classical wave frequency / namely £CTM = WOT E = hf/c2 and £' = hf/c2, to derive the transformations I only respond to this so that others will see that I have that info. I am not use to talking to someone as disrespectful as you without putting you in your place. Just keep talking to me disrespectfuly and you will get same. You are not only disrespecting me, you are disrespecting the group, and showing that you cannot win an argument with intelect alone. You resort to frustration and emotional insults, and I am getting tired of it. This is direct link very long and may or maynot work http://books.google.com/books?id=PDA8YcvMc_QC&pg=PA263&lpg=PA263&dq=e%3Dhf/c2&source=bl&ots=Qx9MQKHw6J&sig=Wx71-iZCz0v08YsXUm42GhU4WpE&hl=en&ei=9hhcS_GVCp6ltgfDioCYAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CB8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=e%3Dhf%2Fc2&f=false Conrad J Countess
From: cjcountess on 24 Jan 2010 05:35 The link at very bottom works and goes directly to page in book where E=hf/c^2 is highlighted Don't know what happened to other links, but somehow they got corrupted in translation. The same link in post 307 still works though And this one: http://books.google.com/books?id=PDA8YcvMc_QC&pg=PA263&lpg=PA263&dq=e%3Dhf/c2&source=bl&ots=Qx9MQKIo8K&sig=Vc-2k5ItwiBCNrSlw1C0Y640-cE&hl=en&ei=0xlcS8mQKs6WtgffgoXmBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CB0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=e%3Dhf%2Fc2&f=false Conrad J Countess
From: Inertial on 24 Jan 2010 06:37 "cjcountess" <cjcountess(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:00221b97-e8ee-40ff-89fb-fc5717b640ec(a)e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > Anyone interested > This is from post 307 which has link that still works. Goes directly > to summary below which goes directly to highlighted example of E=hf/ > c^2 Which is wrong > in John Archibald Wheeler's book. And the summary below is > directly copied from search page, and has exact equation E=hf/c^2. Which is wrong > Don't let inertia fool you, he for some reason does'n want people to > know this. Because it is blatantly and totally wrong > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4TSHB_... > > Using above Google search I found . What search .. its an incomplete URL. > Spacetime physics: introduction to special relativity - Google Books > Result > by Edwin F. Taylor, John Archibald Wheeler - 1992 - Science - 312 > pages > Use the Einstein relation between photon energy � and classical wave > frequency / namely �CTM = WOT E = hf/c2 and �' = hf/c2, to derive the > transformations > I only respond to this so that others will see that I have that info. Where .. provide a link > I am not use to talking to someone as disrespectful as you without > putting you in your place. What place .. you are the one posting incorrect formulas and lying about it. > Just keep talking to me disrespectfuly and you will get same. You are the disrespectful one. By lying. > You are > not only disrespecting me, you are disrespecting the group, Nope . .that is what you are doing by posting nonsense and claiming it to be valid physics. > and > showing that you cannot win an argument with intelect alone. Of course I can .. I already have against you. You're just too stupid to know you've lost. > You > resort to frustration and emotional insults, and I am getting tired of > it. I'm tired of your stupidity. > This is direct link very long and may or maynot work As you well know.. the book has no preview pages available. > http://books.google.com/books?id=PDA8YcvMc_QC&pg=PA263&lpg=PA263&dq=e%3Dhf/c2&source=bl&ots=Qx9MQKHw6J&sig=Wx71-iZCz0v08YsXUm42GhU4WpE&hl=en&ei=9hhcS_GVCp6ltgfDioCYAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CB8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=e%3Dhf%2Fc2&f=false > > Conrad J Countess When are you going to stop your lies and nonsense?
From: Inertial on 24 Jan 2010 06:39 "cjcountess" <cjcountess(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:e75b1c34-1b96-4486-821b-420fdfb5f1d0(a)h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... > The link at very bottom works and goes directly to page in book where > E=hf/c^2 is highlighted Nope > Don't know what happened to other links, but somehow they got > corrupted in translation. > > The same link in post 307 still works though Nope > And this one: > > http://books.google.com/books?id=PDA8YcvMc_QC&pg=PA263&lpg=PA263&dq=e%3Dhf/c2&source=bl&ots=Qx9MQKIo8K&sig=Vc-2k5ItwiBCNrSlw1C0Y640-cE&hl=en&ei=0xlcS8mQKs6WtgffgoXmBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CB0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=e%3Dhf%2Fc2&f=false Nope E = hf/c^2 is utter nonsense .. hf/c^2 is a formula for mass only NOT for energy. Basic dimensional analysis as taught in high school proves that. E = hf is the correct formula, as well you should know. You can't divide energy by c^2 and still have energy .. that is just nonsense.
From: cjcountess on 24 Jan 2010 09:14
There you have it folks Even John Archibald Wheeler, agress with me, (E=hf/c^2), is valid equation. Inertia, is an obstructionist, true to his name: Web definitions for inertia inactiveness: a disposition to remain inactive or inert; "he had to overcome his inertia and get back to work" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn - Definition in context From search page Web definitions for inertia http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1R2TSHB_enUS361&hl=en&source=hp&q=inertia+definition&aq=0&aql=&aqi=g10&oq=inertia You cannot stand in the way of an idea whose time has come 1) Planck discovered E=hf for photons 2) Einstein discovered E=mc^2 for electron's/matter 3) deBroglie discovered (E=hf) = (E=mc^2) for electron of -1 charge, and that electron was also a wave. 4) Bohr discovered that the wavelength of electron is equal to circumference of circle with angular momentum of a multiple integer of h/2pi 5) Therefore it follows from this and my geometrical evidence, that is independant of but supports above evidence, making it twice reinforced that (E=mc^2) = (E= mc^circled) and c=(square root of -1) If we draw progressively shorter waves, with progressively higher energy, we will evidentially arrive at a wave whose 90 degree angular energy/momentum equals its linear energy/momentum, which create a balance of centripetal and centrifugal forces, and 90 degree arc, which if constant creates a circle in 2d, or a spherical wave in 3d. This 3d wave makes two rotations in order to complete one wave cycle, (spin1/2) and also spins backward counter to it trajectory in half the cases which is how electron gets its -1 charge. In the other half of cases a forward spinning positron emerged. A smooth transition from photon to electron, energy to matter, along the same EM spectrum, which might from now on be called the (energy/ matter), spectrum as well as (electromagnetic), is geometrically demonstrated. Photons do have constant mass/energy = to h, that come from kinetic energy of constant speed of c. Mass / energy increases with frequency increase at (E=hf/c^2) until it reaches (E=hf=c^2) or (E=hf=mc^2) as deBroglie stated, at which it attains rest mass. Rest mass is just relative mass in circular and or spherical rotation, such as a standing spherical waves, (electron). Therefore (E=hf /c2), the equation for quantum energy/ mass = (F=mm/ r2), Newtons equation for gravity, minus the big G, sense h is its own constant, and (F=mv2), the equation of force or energy of mass in motion = (E=mc2), the equation for energy/mass equivalence, on the quantum level and (a=v2/r) = (a=c2/c). And so the same force that compresses energy into rest mass particles at (E=hf/c2) = (E=mc2) pushes rest mass particles together at (F=mv/r2) = (F=Gmm/r2). They are equivalent at quantum level and directly proportional at macro level. http://docs.google.com/View?docID=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb&revision=_latest Conrad J Countess As you can see, I use equation (E=hf/c^2) in last parragraph, to show equality and direct correspondence to (F=mm/r^2), which I can and have extended elsware to (F=mv/r^2) and even (F=Gmm/r^2) and (F=mv^2) = (E=mc^2), on quantum level, and the same force that compresses energy into rest mas particles, causes rest mass particles to gravitate togather. |