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From: Rowland McDonnell on 12 Jan 2010 19:11 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > On 12/01/2010 19:07, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > Elliott Roper<nospam(a)yrl.co.uk> wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >> I like it. But I'm currently using Toolplayer to convert .flac to > >> something sensible. > > > > Why not Vox? - being what Toolplayer is called now, apparently: > > > > <http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/32403> > > > > <http://www.voxapp.uni.cc/> > > > > Umm. Can anyone download Vox at all? I get a `premium hosting space > > offer' when I click on the download link on either of the pages above. > > Very dodgy if you ask me. > > > >> If I were seriously looking at lossless, I'd > >> convert to ALC or AIFF and have my pure sound LSD trip. > > > > <pained> Since you can have lossless compression on yer music, why put > > up with AIFF? > > Why not AIFF? Pretty well everything on the mac (and pre OSX ones too) > can read AIFF, you can have compression on it too if you want. How can I get a compressed AIFF and how do I play it? I've just found out that there's a compressed version, but what can use it? Nothing that I know of, so I don't see that compressed AIFF has any advantages over ALC and possibly some disadvantages when compared to FLAC, which can be played by more software than can ALC AFAIK. Yes of course I'm sure there are special applications that work with compressed AIFF, but claiming that compressed AIFF gives you the same sort of advantages of portability that you get from AIFF is just plain dishonest. > Certainly if you wanted to do music production on the mac AIFF would be > the best choice. As a working format and an exchange format, it's great. As a format for archiving too. But for the format you choose when you want to stick as much music on a HDD as will fit for your own listening pleasure - surely a compressed format makes more sense? And if you do have to stop using the software that can work with the compressed format in question, you can always translate back to AIFF without any loss at any stage and without chewing up the CPU time it'd take if you were doing lossy compression. Oh, you're just playing your usual game of mindless contrarianism. I don't know why I bother replying. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Woody on 12 Jan 2010 19:50 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > On 12/01/2010 19:07, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > > Elliott Roper<nospam(a)yrl.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > >> I like it. But I'm currently using Toolplayer to convert .flac to > > >> something sensible. > > > > > > Why not Vox? - being what Toolplayer is called now, apparently: > > > > > > <http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/32403> > > > > > > <http://www.voxapp.uni.cc/> > > > > > > Umm. Can anyone download Vox at all? I get a `premium hosting space > > > offer' when I click on the download link on either of the pages above. > > > Very dodgy if you ask me. > > > > > >> If I were seriously looking at lossless, I'd > > >> convert to ALC or AIFF and have my pure sound LSD trip. > > > > > > <pained> Since you can have lossless compression on yer music, why put > > > up with AIFF? > > > > Why not AIFF? Pretty well everything on the mac (and pre OSX ones too) > > can read AIFF, you can have compression on it too if you want. > > How can I get a compressed AIFF and how do I play it? Soundstudio, cubase, logic, amadeus - most applications that write audio at any sort of level since system 7 I would have thought. Personally I always used sound studio (originally sound studio 16 with system 7, and then later I think it was soundstudio 2). It was good until OSX, but it didn't work very well with the original OSX, then quite a few other tools sprouted up which were cheaper and just as good so by the time it was fixed it was a bit overpriced for what it did (at AFAIR $45). > I've just found > out that there's a compressed version, but what can use it? System 7 and the quicktimes available at that time. Presumably systems since then. > Nothing > that I know of really? > so I don't see that compressed AIFF has any advantages > over ALC and possibly some disadvantages when compared to FLAC, which > can be played by more software than can ALC AFAIK. I don't know what programs I have here that can cope with flac (I know I have some, but I don't know off hand which). The other ones are all newer so I never really saw an advantage in switching to it. All my audio work that I have done is in AIFF, so I can't see what I gain from reencoding it to a system that only modern machines use. But I am happy to learn if there is anything > Yes of course I'm sure there are special applications that work with > compressed AIFF, but claiming that compressed AIFF gives you the same > sort of advantages of portability that you get from AIFF is just plain > dishonest. > > > Certainly if you wanted to do music production on the mac AIFF would be > > the best choice. > > As a working format and an exchange format, it's great. As a format for > archiving too. But for the format you choose when you want to stick as > much music on a HDD as will fit for your own listening pleasure - surely > a compressed format makes more sense? Well, yes it does, but I never really had to investigate that as I am happy with AAC. However, if I wanted to keep archives of that music I would certainly investigate flac, but apart from my own music (which is in a load of aiffs on cds) I have never had a need to do it. > And if you do have to stop using > the software that can work with the compressed format in question, you > can always translate back to AIFF without any loss at any stage and > without chewing up the CPU time it'd take if you were doing lossy > compression. You can indeed. That works either way though. Thing is, I haven't had to compress music since these new uncompressed formats came out (other than the AAC listening stuff) so I have no idea if they are any use for me for anything. <snip non technical stuff> new years resolution, I will only converse with you on technical matters, I have no interest in conversing with you about your emotional issues. As you have said yourself, this is a technical newsgroup , I have had no part in any of your fights with anyone this year, so if you could kindly keep your points technical and on topic it would be appreciated. -- Woody www.alienrat.com
From: Jim on 13 Jan 2010 02:04 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > Soundstudio, cubase, logic, amadeus - most applications that write audio > > at any sort of level since system 7 I would have thought. > > You know that's bullshit - I've never seen a reference to compressed > AIFF before you mentioned it, so that tells me hardly anything can play > the format. You could only think of professional apps - no QuickTime, I > notice... Load up the old QuickTime 7 Player on your Intel 10.6 box (it should be QuickTime Pro). Load an audio file into it. Choose "File->Export..." Click the 'Export:' dropdown and choose "Sound to Aiff" Click 'Options..." The 'Format:' dropdown currently says "Linear PCM" which is indeed uncompressed. There are two others in there though, "IMA 4:1" and "Quallcomm PureVoice". The Quallcomm one I don't know about, but the IMA 4:1 format offers 4:1 compression (as you might have gathered by the name) and has been a standard part of Quicktime since QuickTime 2.1 <http://www.siggraph.org/education/materials/HyperGraph/video/codecs/IMA ..html> <http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/technotes/tn/tn1081.html> Jim -- "Microsoft admitted its Vista operating system was a 'less good product' in what IT experts have described as the most ambitious understatement since the captain of the Titanic reported some slightly damp tablecloths." http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/
From: David Kennedy on 13 Jan 2010 02:23 SM wrote: > David Kennedy<davidkennedy(a)nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote: > >> SM wrote: >>> >>> Wave Editor will import and export .flac although I've never needed to: >>> >>> <http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/waveeditor/> >> >> Thanks Stuart. I'll have a look at that. > > It's very good in general, but for editing .flac files it might be a bit > like using Pages to edit Word docs as opposed to working natively. > > Stuart All I really need is something to convert the odd file. -- David Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com
From: Mark on 13 Jan 2010 04:58
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:15:06 +0000, SM wrote (in article <1jc8880.17y28wrvmdf40N%info(a)that.sundog.co.uk>): > David Kennedy <davidkennedy(a)nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote: > >> SM wrote: >>> >>> Wave Editor will import and export .flac although I've never needed to: >>> >>> <http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/waveeditor/> >> >> Thanks Stuart. I'll have a look at that. > > It's very good in general, but for editing .flac files it might be a bit > like using Pages to edit Word docs as opposed to working natively. > > Stuart > Here's a little dookickey that's supposed to let you play .flac files in iTunes without converting: <http://blowintopieces.com/fluke/> Cheers ... Mark |