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From: Peter on 24 Jan 2010 14:11 "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message news:4b5c96a4$0$1636$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>news:4b5bc760$0$1618$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>>news:4b5b7a92$0$1677$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get >>>>>>>>>>> screened >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the >>>>>>>>>> government >>>>>>>>>> employee does. >>>>>>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>>>> >>>>>>If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will >>>>>>get a replacement joint or not. >>>>> >>>>> And in the US it's the insurance company that decides. >>>> >>>>You have no clue. >>> >>> Says a pro-lie rightard >>> >>>>It's easy to make a broad brush statement, >>> >>> Like the one you just made? >> >>More intriquiging logic. > > Pointing out your hypocrisy isn't "intriging". It's tiresomely easy. > Yawn -- Peter
From: rendition on 24 Jan 2010 14:16 Ray Fischer wrote: > Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >> news:4b5bc760$0$1618$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>> news:4b5b7a92$0$1677$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get >>>>>>>>>>> screened >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the >>>>>>>>>> government >>>>>>>>>> employee does. >>>>>>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>>>> If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will >>>>>> get a replacement joint or not. >>>>> And in the US it's the insurance company that decides. >>>> You have no clue. >>> Says a pro-lie rightard >>> >>>> It's easy to make a broad brush statement, >>> Like the one you just made? >> More intriquiging logic. > > Pointing out your hypocrisy isn't "intriging". It's tiresomely easy. > Chronicling your lies is an unending and tiresome task.
From: Savageduck on 24 Jan 2010 14:18 On 2010-01-24 09:34:26 -0800, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> said: > "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message > news:4b5bc760$0$1618$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>> news:4b5b7a92$0$1677$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get screened >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However these >>>>>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the >>>>>>>>> government >>>>>>>>> employee does. >>>>>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>>> >>>>> If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will >>>>> get a replacement joint or not. >>>> >>>> And in the US it's the insurance company that decides. >>> >>> You have no clue. >> >> Says a pro-lie rightard >> >>> It's easy to make a broad brush statement, >> >> Like the one you just made? > > More intriquiging logic. > Please don't use any factual or logical statements. too many of us here > would get a heart attack. At least that is treatable. ....er, if you have the appropriate medical insurance, or can make it to the emergency room in time. Remember those $1200-$5000 ambulance rides also add to the total cost. It is almost cheaper to get a limo ride to the hospital, or drive yourself. -- Regards, Savageduck
From: rendition on 24 Jan 2010 14:20 Ray Fischer wrote: > tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:31:43 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >> wrote: >> >>> In message <4b5b7a92$0$1677$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer >>> <rfischer(a)sonic.net> writes >>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and it >>>>>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get screened for >>>>>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However these >>>>>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the government >>>>>>>>> employee does. >>>>>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>>> If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will >>>>> get a replacement joint or not. >>>> And in the US it's the insurance company that decides. >>> So the UK is a medical decision and the US is a commercial one. >> Is Ray Fischer someone you believe? Insurance companies do not make >> decisions about whether or not a client has a knee replacement. Ever. > > LOL! I guess you've never heard of something called "prior approval". > Maybe when you get to be an adult and actualy deal with insurance > companies you'll learn how it really works. Maybe you know as little about him or his experiences as anything else you blather on here. > >> They only have a say-so with procedures that are considered to be >> elective. > > Duh! Knee surgery is elective. Not in all instances, say a car or motorcycle accident for example. >> An elective procedure is something like a gastric bypass. > > Or knee surgery. Or not, depending on the circumstances.
From: rendition on 24 Jan 2010 14:23
Ray Fischer wrote: > rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> wrote: >> Chris H wrote: >>> In message <4b5b6002$1(a)news.x-privat.org>, rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> >>> writes >>>> Ray Fischer wrote: >>>>> rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> wrote: >>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote: >>>>>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>>>>>>>> According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually >>>>>>>>> spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than >>>>>>>>> the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not >>>>>>>>> just 80% as per the USA. >>>>>>>> Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by >>>>>>>> some sort of health care program. >>>>>>> Nope. >>>>>> See: emergency room. >>>>> See: Idiot rightard who doesn't realize that emergency room bills >>>>> must be paid. >>>>> >>>> Well of course they must, but then I never made such a statement, did I >>>> lying Ray? >>>> >>>> You're a real bucket of barf. >>> So who has to pay the emergency room bills? >> We all do. > > Health care spending per capita - 1998: > U.S.: $4178 > Germany: $2424 > U.K.: $1461 > Seems possible, why no url? |