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From: rendition on 23 Jan 2010 18:17 Brent wrote: > On 2010-01-23, Ray Fischer <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote: >> Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On 2010-01-23, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >>>> In message <hjfd8f$pjv$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Brent <tetraethyll >>>> eadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> writes >>>>> On 2010-01-23, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Also, an 80 year old person cannot get a kidney or transplant. Heart >>>>>>> transplant candidates are carefully screened. All of this is a form of >>>>>>> rationing. >>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and it >>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get screened for >>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However these >>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the government >>>>> employee does. >>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>> I did not say what grounds the decision was made on, only who makes it. >>> The government employees make it. Because government is political most >>> of the decision making will be political. >>> >>>>> They decide how the health care pie is going to be split >>>>> up. They decide if the 80 year old is deserving of it or not. It's a >>>>> fixed supply system. That's the mentality it runs under. >>>> That is the US mentality. Not the NHS mentality. >>> That's the government mentality. >>> >>>> All I have seen so far is the US does not trust it's own governments. >>> Government has killed more people than anything else in human history. >>> Government is fundamentally a criminal enterprise. Government and a >>> criminal gang with sufficent power are for all purposes the same thing. >> Government is us. By damning government you damn yourself. > > It is not 'us'. It hasn't been 'us' for a very very long time if it > ever was. The ruling class doesn't really care for what 'we' want, only > to what we'll put up without taking out torches and pitchforks. And it > aims to take away any tools by which we can rise up against it. If the > government were 'us' it wouldn't need a monopoly on the use of violence > against 'us' and 'us' being armed would not be a concern for it. > > Then there are the implications of 'us' being responsible for some very > horrible things government does. I certainly did not approve of or > endorse those things, did you? Oh I suspect he did and does, regularly.
From: George Kerby on 23 Jan 2010 19:28 On 1/23/10 2:30 PM, in article 4b5b5c6c$0$1645$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net, "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote: > tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> > >>> According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually >>> spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than >>> the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not >>> just 80% as per the USA. >> >> Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by >> some sort of health care program. > > Nope. > >> It may be a private insurance >> program, Medicare, Medicaid, or some other government program. > > Sorry, but there are about 30+ million people in the US with no > coverage at all. Half of them illegally.
From: Poetic Justice on 23 Jan 2010 20:14 On 1/23/2010 7:28 PM, George Kerby wrote: > > > > On 1/23/10 2:30 PM, in article 4b5b5c6c$0$1645$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net, "Ray > Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote: > >> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >> >>>> According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually >>>> spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than >>>> the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not >>>> just 80% as per the USA. >>> >>> Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by >>> some sort of health care program. >> >> Nope. >> >>> It may be a private insurance >>> program, Medicare, Medicaid, or some other government program. >> >> Sorry, but there are about 30+ million people in the US with no >> coverage at all. > > Half of them illegally. > The Amish And the people that choose NOT to buy it.... And then most of the rest qualify for Medicade when they do get to a hospital, so there really isn't very many falling through the cracks.
From: John McWilliams on 23 Jan 2010 21:37 Chris H wrote: > In message <4b5b0a58$0$30934$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com>, Peter > <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> writes Gents, Please, is there some chance you will stop x-posting? chi.general az.politics alt.rush-limbaugh Deleted. -- lsmft
From: Chris Malcolm on 23 Jan 2010 21:40
In rec.photo.digital Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Government has killed more people than anything else in human history. > Government is fundamentally a criminal enterprise. Government and a > criminal gang with sufficent power are for all purposes the same thing. There are still some countries with no effective government at all you could go to. -- Chris Malcolm |