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From: rendition on 24 Jan 2010 12:35 Chris H wrote: > In message <4b5b6002$1(a)news.x-privat.org>, rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> > writes >> Ray Fischer wrote: >>> rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> wrote: >>>> Ray Fischer wrote: >>>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>>>>>> According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually >>>>>>> spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than >>>>>>> the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not >>>>>>> just 80% as per the USA. >>>>>> Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by >>>>>> some sort of health care program. >>>>> Nope. >>>> See: emergency room. >>> See: Idiot rightard who doesn't realize that emergency room bills >>> must be paid. >>> >> Well of course they must, but then I never made such a statement, did I >> lying Ray? >> >> You're a real bucket of barf. > > So who has to pay the emergency room bills? We all do. > What bills? Yes, they do bill.
From: Peter on 24 Jan 2010 12:34 "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message news:4b5bc760$0$1618$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>news:4b5b7a92$0$1677$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get >>>>>>>>> screened >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However >>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the >>>>>>>> government >>>>>>>> employee does. >>>>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>> >>>>If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will >>>>get a replacement joint or not. >>> >>> And in the US it's the insurance company that decides. >> >>You have no clue. > > Says a pro-lie rightard > >>It's easy to make a broad brush statement, > > Like the one you just made? More intriquiging logic. Please don't use any factual or logical statements. too many of us here would get a heart attack. -- Peter
From: Peter on 24 Jan 2010 12:45 "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message news:WgWD+QBQDCXLFAeR(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... > In message <4b5b56cd$0$30747$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com>, Peter > <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> writes >>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message news:DSDmiZPA0zWLFAn+@p >>haedsys.demon.co.uk... >>> In message <4b5b3875$0$31020$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com>, Peter >>> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> writes >>>>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message news:GCVnG4MZJzWLFAGL@p >>>>haedsys.demon.co.uk... >>>>> >>>>>>No one really believes that the medical treatment given to our poverty >>>>>>level patients is the same as for those who can afford to pay. >>>>> >>>>> In the UK there is no difference. >>>>> >>>> >>>>I have no direct means of verifying that. >>> >>> I can. I live here. >> >>So, you expect us to believe that private gets no better treatment? I >>certainly do not believe that. > > Better medical treatment: no > > A private room, better facilities for privacy and to carry on business > etc, your choice of food, better biscuits with the tea: yes. > >>And many, including a former PM or yours, will use private for other >>reasons. He even came here for treatment while he was in office. Out >>of discretion I will not reveal his name, nor how I know about it. > > Most of then have private medical care. No discretion needed as most > times it is reported in the papers. No one bats an eyelid. > In his case the UK doctors refused to recognize his condition as a disease and failed to treat it. > With the NHS they tell you when they can see you as they are juggling > many patients. They don't fit things in around your schedule > > With Private you can tell them when your schedule is free. For some > people this is more important. The medical care is the same you just > get a nicer room, your choice of food and tea and biscuits and when you > want them. > > Have you received private care under your system? Your statement is not true. Anxiety and stress reduction is as important a part of medical care as is timely and proper treatment. And, I am not convinced that the better doctors do not opt for private treatment as the remuneration is significantly higher. That is not to say that there are not of highly dedicated well qualified professionals who prefer to work in some form of public health, and some money grubbing hacks who put on a veneer for private. I prefer to place my health with the odds. Remember that{ the chap who graduated last in his class in medical school is still called "doctor." -- Peter
From: Peter on 24 Jan 2010 12:46 "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message news:ZwjAqxBFECXLFA$z(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... > In message <4b5b583c$1(a)news.x-privat.org>, rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> > writes >>Peter wrote: >>> And many, including a former PM or yours, will use private for >>>other reasons. He even came here for treatment while he was in >>>office. Out of discretion I will not reveal his name, nor how I know >>>about it. >> >>Interesting! >> >>(you already excluded Thatcher with the "he") > > She did have private medical treatment in the US I wonder why -- Peter
From: Peter on 24 Jan 2010 13:00
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:n5hol59t60b2rgrpqq2v5s7rgjg6l7pvma(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:31:43 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> > wrote: > >>In message <4b5b7a92$0$1677$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer >><rfischer(a)sonic.net> writes >>>tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get >>>>>>>>> screened for >>>>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However >>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the >>>>>>>> government >>>>>>>> employee does. >>>>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>> >>>>If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will >>>>get a replacement joint or not. >>> >>>And in the US it's the insurance company that decides. >> >>So the UK is a medical decision and the US is a commercial one. > > Is Ray Fischer someone you believe? Insurance companies do not make > decisions about whether or not a client has a knee replacement. Ever. > They only have a say-so with procedures that are considered to be > elective. > And not even then. They may only decide whether they will pay for the procedure, not whether you may have it. > An elective procedure is something like a gastric bypass. An obese > patient may want a gastric bypass, but the insurance company may not > pay for the procedure unless the obesity is considered to be > life-threatening or tied to other medical complications. > > Insurance companies make decisions about how long a patient's hospital > stay can be and how much physical therapy will be covered. Those are > commercial decisions, but the insurance company cannot refuse to cover > a non-elective procedure. > Interesting sidelight. A doctor falsely claimed that he had performed a certain procedure on my wife. When we informed the carrier, at first they claimed the was between her and the doctor, until I insisted that they not pay. FL may be different, -- Peter |