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From: Jolly Roger on 30 Jan 2010 15:21 In article <300120101149453516%tmo1138(a)invalid.gmail.domain.com>, Joe Wangkauf <tmo1138(a)invalid.gmail.domain.com> wrote: > In article <jollyroger-D69868.09582930012010(a)news.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > In article <290120102322135893%tmo1138(a)invalid.gmail.domain.com>, > > Joe Wangkauf <tmo1138(a)invalid.gmail.domain.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <jollyroger-6970C5.00033630012010(a)news.individual.net>, > > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Mac OS X, being Unix, already has GNU emacs built in. In Mac OS X 10.6, > > > > it's GNU Emacs 22.1.1. So there's no need to download and install > > > > anything. Try this: > > > > > > > > 1. Open /Applications/Utilities/Terminal. > > > > 2. Enter the command: emacs > > > > > > > > I'm a little surprised someone with a Linux background wouldn't have > > > > discovered this on their own! > > > > > > Wow.. I've been using OS X since 10.4 and I never looked for that... I > > > did look for vi tho the first night I got my Mac.. which some would say > > > is even /more/ shameful.. ;-) > > > > I'm a long-time vi/vim veteran. It pays to know how to use vi/vim for > > someone in my field. > > I've been using er.. the late 80's... I think? I used emacs on a PR1ME > computer and then found vi. I've always just found vi/vim to 'just > work'.. it's nice, simple and elegant. Emacs always pegged me as a > solution looking for a problem. I don't fault Stallman's hard work at > all. I mean it's obviously very powerful but I always feel like it's > big and fat compared to how vi works. It's also much less likely to be available on various *nix installations. You can pretty much count on vi/vim being there, though. ; ) -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: Jolly Roger on 30 Jan 2010 15:22 In article <4b6475a5$0$12924$c35e2916(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, David Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: > On 2010-01-29 22:03:36 -0800, Jolly Roger said: > > > In article <4b63781f$0$30309$c37e2936(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > David Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi all. More switcher (in multiple ways) question: > >> > >> I'm a long-time emacs user (since 18.57 back in '88). For about 13/14 > >> years I've been using xemacs, on Solaris, Linux, and WinXP. I've > >> switched at home to Mac (10.6.2) and was looking at emacs for it. The > >> old xemacs port seems to be dead and xemacs development in general is > >> glacial at best. > >> > >> So, I figured I'd also try switching to the gnu version of emacs. I'm > >> working on the Linux and WinXP versions, but I could use advice for my > >> Mac. I see Aquamacs (aquamacs.org) and Carbon Emacs > >> (http://homepage.mac.com/zenitani/emacs-e.html). I've looked for > >> comparisons online, but they are all out of date. Can someone give me a > >> current status of how these two compare: > >> * integration with OSX > >> * keeping up to date with gnu versions > >> * anything else? > > > > Mac OS X, being Unix, already has GNU emacs built in. In Mac OS X 10.6, > > it's GNU Emacs 22.1.1. So there's no need to download and install > > anything. Try this: > > > > 1. Open /Applications/Utilities/Terminal. > > 2. Enter the command: emacs > > Thanks - just tried this. Question: it comes up in tty mode. How do I > get the normal GUI mode / multiple windows, etc? The command-line mode *is* the normal mode. > I also found out yesterday that I don't need to install a VNC client > since OSX has one built in: > /System/Library/CoreServices/Screen Sharing.app > Works great to connect to my work WinXP box. Yep. And you can use the Finders Go > Connect to Server dialog box to connect to them by specifying vnc://hostname destinations. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: Joe Wangkauf on 30 Jan 2010 20:38 In article <jollyroger-B62358.14210230012010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > In article <300120101149453516%tmo1138(a)invalid.gmail.domain.com>, > Joe Wangkauf <tmo1138(a)invalid.gmail.domain.com> wrote: > > > In article <jollyroger-D69868.09582930012010(a)news.individual.net>, > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <290120102322135893%tmo1138(a)invalid.gmail.domain.com>, > > > Joe Wangkauf <tmo1138(a)invalid.gmail.domain.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <jollyroger-6970C5.00033630012010(a)news.individual.net>, > > > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mac OS X, being Unix, already has GNU emacs built in. In Mac OS X > > > > > 10.6, > > > > > it's GNU Emacs 22.1.1. So there's no need to download and install > > > > > anything. Try this: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Open /Applications/Utilities/Terminal. > > > > > 2. Enter the command: emacs > > > > > > > > > > I'm a little surprised someone with a Linux background wouldn't have > > > > > discovered this on their own! > > > > > > > > Wow.. I've been using OS X since 10.4 and I never looked for that... I > > > > did look for vi tho the first night I got my Mac.. which some would say > > > > is even /more/ shameful.. ;-) > > > > > > I'm a long-time vi/vim veteran. It pays to know how to use vi/vim for > > > someone in my field. > > > > I've been using er.. the late 80's... I think? I used emacs on a PR1ME > > computer and then found vi. I've always just found vi/vim to 'just > > work'.. it's nice, simple and elegant. Emacs always pegged me as a > > solution looking for a problem. I don't fault Stallman's hard work at > > all. I mean it's obviously very powerful but I always feel like it's > > big and fat compared to how vi works. > > It's also much less likely to be available on various *nix > installations. You can pretty much count on vi/vim being there, though. > ; ) Excellent point..!!! -- .... something witty goes here ...
From: Mac Dude on 2 Feb 2010 16:05
In article <pcok4v05kjg.fsf(a)math.ntnu.no>, Harald Hanche-Olsen <hanche(a)math.ntnu.no> wrote: > + Barry Margolin <barmar(a)alum.mit.edu>: > > > I've been using Carbon Emacs for years, although I haven't updated it in > > a while. It's quite solid. > > I guess I am more adventurous, using GNU emacs direct from the current > bazaar (previously CVS) repository, configured with --with-nextstep. > It's kind of solid too. I do have random crashes, maybe once a week or so, > but these crashes have never cost me more than a few dozen keystrokes at > most, thanks to emacs's excellent autosave and recovery feature. But > living on the bleeding edge like that one has to be prepared for some > surprises. > > > Aquamacs is apparently more customized to the OS X GUI style. I > > haven't tried it, so I'm not sure precisely what that implies. > > I looked at it a while back. If I recall correctly, they treat the > command key as Super, so command-S, command-C and so forth are seen by > emacs as super-S, super-C and so on, which are then bound to > save-buffer, kill-ring-save, and so forth, which makes Mac users quite > at home. The downside to this is that the alt/option key now almost has > to become meta, and you lose the original use for that key, leading to a > highly impoverished keyboard (especially for us European types). Anyway, > I have "command=meta" so deeply ingrained into my fingers I'd probably > have to go to a reeducation camp to unlearn it. It's not easy to switch > back and forth between the emacs world and other mac apps, though. I > lost count of the number of times I closed a window when trying to copy > from it. (The converse, capitalizing a word in emacs when I wish to > copy, is annoying too, but much less so.) In response to the OP's question: Carbon Emacs feels mostly like vanilla Emacs although the more recent versions have added Mac-specific key bindings (Menu item Help:Carbon Emacs Package:Mac-Style bindings or some-such). I use it and like it. Aquamacs is trying hard to be more Mac like. Too hard for my taste. With older systems I found Aquamacs to be quite sluggish although that is not an issue with Intel Macs anymore. I remember that configuring it was tricky for me (I use ..emacs files and hooks, and I seem to recall that they did not work quite right in Aquamacs). I do not use Aquamacs anymore. If I wanted a Mac-like editor I'd use BBedit or its ilk. Emacs is not Mac-like. I use Emacs because I want the power and features it has. But I am also used to it from many years of using it. FWIW, M.D. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net --- |