Aquamacs vs Carbon Emacs
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From: David Rogoff on 29 Jan 2010 19:06 Hi all. More switcher (in multiple ways) question: I'm a long-time emacs user (since 18.57 back in '88). For about 13/14 years I've been using xemacs, on Solaris, Linux, and WinXP. I've switched at home to Mac (10.6.2) and was looking at emacs for it. The old xemacs port seems to be dead and xemacs development in general is glacial at best. So, I figured I'd also try switching to the gnu version of emacs. I'm working on the Linux and WinXP versions, but I could use advice for my Mac. I see Aquamacs (aquamacs.org) and Carbon Emacs (http://homepage.mac.com/zenitani/emacs-e.html). I've looked for comparisons online, but they are all out of date. Can someone give me a current status of how these two compare: * integration with OSX * keeping up to date with gnu versions * anything else? Thanks, David
From: Joe Wangkauf on 29 Jan 2010 21:40 In article <4b63781f$0$30309$c37e2936(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, David Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: > I see Aquamacs (aquamacs.org) and Carbon Emacs > (http://homepage.mac.com/zenitani/emacs-e.html). The emacs guru I know recommended Aquamacs. It's more regularly updated than the other Mac ports. -- .... something witty goes here ...
From: Barry Margolin on 29 Jan 2010 22:19 In article <290120101840481035%tmo1138(a)invalid.gmail.domain.com>, Joe Wangkauf <tmo1138(a)invalid.gmail.domain.com> wrote: > In article <4b63781f$0$30309$c37e2936(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, David > Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: > > > I see Aquamacs (aquamacs.org) and Carbon Emacs > > (http://homepage.mac.com/zenitani/emacs-e.html). > > The emacs guru I know recommended Aquamacs. It's more regularly > updated than the other Mac ports. I've been using Carbon Emacs for years, although I haven't updated it in a while. It's quite solid. From what I've read, if you're used to traditional Emacs, Carbon Emacs will feel more comfortable. I've been using Emacs since 1980 (on PDP-10 and Multics in those days, GNU wasn't even a twinkle in RMS's eye yet), and and I find Carbon Emacs quite enjoyable. Aquamacs is apparently more customized to the OS X GUI style. I haven't tried it, so I'm not sure precisely what that implies. -- Barry Margolin, barmar(a)alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me *** *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
From: Harald Hanche-Olsen on 29 Jan 2010 22:38 + Barry Margolin <barmar(a)alum.mit.edu>: > I've been using Carbon Emacs for years, although I haven't updated it in > a while. It's quite solid. I guess I am more adventurous, using GNU emacs direct from the current bazaar (previously CVS) repository, configured with --with-nextstep. It's kind of solid too. I do have random crashes, maybe once a week or so, but these crashes have never cost me more than a few dozen keystrokes at most, thanks to emacs's excellent autosave and recovery feature. But living on the bleeding edge like that one has to be prepared for some surprises. > Aquamacs is apparently more customized to the OS X GUI style. I > haven't tried it, so I'm not sure precisely what that implies. I looked at it a while back. If I recall correctly, they treat the command key as Super, so command-S, command-C and so forth are seen by emacs as super-S, super-C and so on, which are then bound to save-buffer, kill-ring-save, and so forth, which makes Mac users quite at home. The downside to this is that the alt/option key now almost has to become meta, and you lose the original use for that key, leading to a highly impoverished keyboard (especially for us European types). Anyway, I have "command=meta" so deeply ingrained into my fingers I'd probably have to go to a reeducation camp to unlearn it. It's not easy to switch back and forth between the emacs world and other mac apps, though. I lost count of the number of times I closed a window when trying to copy from it. (The converse, capitalizing a word in emacs when I wish to copy, is annoying too, but much less so.) -- * Harald Hanche-Olsen <URL:http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/> - It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. -- Bertrand Russell
From: Jolly Roger on 30 Jan 2010 01:03
In article <4b63781f$0$30309$c37e2936(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, David Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: > Hi all. More switcher (in multiple ways) question: > > I'm a long-time emacs user (since 18.57 back in '88). For about 13/14 > years I've been using xemacs, on Solaris, Linux, and WinXP. I've > switched at home to Mac (10.6.2) and was looking at emacs for it. The > old xemacs port seems to be dead and xemacs development in general is > glacial at best. > > So, I figured I'd also try switching to the gnu version of emacs. I'm > working on the Linux and WinXP versions, but I could use advice for my > Mac. I see Aquamacs (aquamacs.org) and Carbon Emacs > (http://homepage.mac.com/zenitani/emacs-e.html). I've looked for > comparisons online, but they are all out of date. Can someone give me a > current status of how these two compare: > * integration with OSX > * keeping up to date with gnu versions > * anything else? Mac OS X, being Unix, already has GNU emacs built in. In Mac OS X 10.6, it's GNU Emacs 22.1.1. So there's no need to download and install anything. Try this: 1. Open /Applications/Utilities/Terminal. 2. Enter the command: emacs I'm a little surprised someone with a Linux background wouldn't have discovered this on their own! -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR |