Are Electric Fields Distrorted By Gravity? [Physics]

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From: mpc755 on 10 Aug 2010 08:19

On Aug 10, 4:48 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 1:59 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 6:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 9, 4:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The photon 'has the mass' because the photon is propagating through
> > > > dark matter displaced by matter.
>
> > > The photon consists of darkly dark matter, which is propagating
> > > through dark matter, unless the dark matter is displaced by matter,
> > > which in turn is a compressed form of nearly dark matter. Matter has
> > > mass, photons 'have mass', dark matter 'has' something that rhymes
> > > with 'mass', darkly dark matter holds Mass on Saturdays, and nearly
> > > dark matter brings huddled masses in through Ellis Island.
>
> > > One would be tempted to call all these kinds of dark matter just
> > > different shades of gray matter, but there isn't a lick of gray matter
> > > involved in anything Mike Cavedon says.
>
> >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > water."
>
> > Why are you unable and unwilling to answer the following question?
>
> > What ripples?
>
> > Dark matter ripples. Dark matter has mass. Dark matter is the medium
> > of space. Three dimensional space consists of matter and dark matter.
>
> > In the physics of nature the galaxy cluster collision creates a dark
> > matter ripple.
>
> -------------------
> space has no properties whatsoever
>
> except hosting mass
>
> NO MASS - THE ONLY ONE-
> NO REAL PHYSICS !!!
>
> once you will (at last )--internalize it
> your physics life- will become a bit easier !!!
>
> (i know that current 'modern physicists' are dead scared of 'simple
> physics'
> because it will deprive them a lot of their personal income (:-)
> 2
> for parrots there is a need for
> counter parrots (:-)
>
> ATB
> Y.Porat
> ------------------------------

You didn't answer the question.

If space is a void then what ripples?

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

"Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The ripple is the displacement of dark matter.

When does the rippling stop? It doesn't.
Where does the dark matter end? It doesn't.
Where is space a void? It isn't.
Where is space void of dark matter? Only where there is matter.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
disregarding the causes which condition its state."

Einstein might as well have been discussing dark matter. Dark matter
is aether (with mass).

The state of dark matter as determined by its connections with the
matter and the state of the dark matter in neighboring places is the
dark matter's state of displacement. The cause which conditions its
state is its displacement by matter.

Dark matter displaced by matter is not at rest.
Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

From: mpc755 on 10 Aug 2010 08:21

On Aug 9, 10:50 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 9, 4:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 6:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 9, 4:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The photon 'has the mass' because the photon is propagating through
> > > > dark matter displaced by matter.
>
> > > The photon consists of darkly dark matter, which is propagating
> > > through dark matter, unless the dark matter is displaced by matter,
> > > which in turn is a compressed form of nearly dark matter. Matter has
> > > mass, photons 'have mass', dark matter 'has' something that rhymes
> > > with 'mass', darkly dark matter holds Mass on Saturdays, and nearly
> > > dark matter brings huddled masses in through Ellis Island.
>
> > > One would be tempted to call all these kinds of dark matter just
> > > different shades of gray matter, but there isn't a lick of gray matter
> > > involved in anything Mike Cavedon says.
>
> >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > water."
>
> > Why are you unable and unwilling to answer the following question?
>
> > What ripples?
>
> > Dark matter ripples. Dark matter has mass. Dark matter is the medium
> > of space. Three dimensional space consists of matter and dark matter.
>
> > In the physics of nature the galaxy cluster collision creates a dark
> > matter ripple.
>
> Light's matterial is electric energy that oscillates into a point of
> matter.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

Light's material is dark matter. Three dimensional space consists of
dark matter and matter. There is no place in three dimensional space
which is a void. There is no place in three dimensional space absent
mass. For space absent mass is a void.

From: Y.Porat on 10 Aug 2010 09:06

On Aug 10, 2:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 4:48 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 1:59 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 9, 6:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 9, 4:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > The photon 'has the mass' because the photon is propagating through
> > > > > dark matter displaced by matter.
>
> > > > The photon consists of darkly dark matter, which is propagating
> > > > through dark matter, unless the dark matter is displaced by matter,
> > > > which in turn is a compressed form of nearly dark matter. Matter has
> > > > mass, photons 'have mass', dark matter 'has' something that rhymes
> > > > with 'mass', darkly dark matter holds Mass on Saturdays, and nearly
> > > > dark matter brings huddled masses in through Ellis Island.
>
> > > > One would be tempted to call all these kinds of dark matter just
> > > > different shades of gray matter, but there isn't a lick of gray matter
> > > > involved in anything Mike Cavedon says.
>
> > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur....
>
> > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > water."
>
> > > Why are you unable and unwilling to answer the following question?
>
> > > What ripples?
>
> > > Dark matter ripples. Dark matter has mass. Dark matter is the medium
> > > of space. Three dimensional space consists of matter and dark matter.
>
> > > In the physics of nature the galaxy cluster collision creates a dark
> > > matter ripple.
>
> > -------------------
> > space has no properties whatsoever
>
> > except hosting mass
>
> > NO MASS - THE ONLY ONE-
> > NO REAL PHYSICS !!!
>
> > once you will (at last )--internalize it
> > your physics life- will become a bit easier !!!
>
> > (i know that current 'modern physicists' are dead scared of 'simple
> > physics'
> > because it will deprive them a lot of their personal income (:-)
> > 2
> > for parrots there is a need for
> > counter parrots (:-)
>
> > ATB
> > Y.Porat
> > ------------------------------
>
> You didn't answer the question.
>
> If space is a void then what ripples?
>
> 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> water."
>
> The ripple is the displacement of dark matter.
>
> When does the rippling stop? It doesn't.
> Where does the dark matter end? It doesn't.
> Where is space a void? It isn't.
> Where is space void of dark matter? Only where there is matter.
>
> 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
>
> "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
> with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
> disregarding the causes which condition its state."
>
> Einstein might as well have been discussing dark matter. Dark matter
> is aether (with mass).
>
> The state of dark matter as determined by its connections with the
> matter and the state of the dark matter in neighboring places is the
> dark matter's state of displacement. The cause which conditions its
> state is its displacement by matter.
>
> Dark matter displaced by matter is not at rest.
> Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

--------------
i told you many times
what ripples --is mass in space !!
so difficult to understand ???

Y.P
----------------------------

From: Y.Porat on 10 Aug 2010 09:10

On Aug 10, 10:50 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 9, 11:46 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 20:59:21 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Aug 3, 11:30 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
> > >> Since gravitation exerts a force on both matter and light, might it not also
> > >> affect electric and magnetic fields directly?
>
> > >> If so, might it not follow that the artificial distortion of an electric or
> > >> magnetic field should give rise to a gravitational force?
>
> > >> Since magnetic and electric fields frequently coexist and since they provide
> > >> the only known means of distorting each other, is it not conceivable that
> > >> gravity is indeed just a manifestation of all the mutual field distortion
> > >> present in all matter.
>
> > >> Henry Wilson...
>
> > >> .......Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.
>
> > >-----------------------
> > >indeed
> > >since EM waves as any physical entity is a associated with mass - the
> > >only one
>
> > >therefore no wonder that gravity
> > >is affecting EM waves
> > >even the curvature of photons moving next to sun
> > >is because photons has ***THE ***... mass
> > >(and not because of curvature 'schmervature'' of space !!!)
> >-------------------------------------------------------
> > Dead right
> > Henry Wilson...
>
> --------------------------------
> Thanks Henry !!!
>
> Y.Porat
> =----------------------

and BTW
one think is obvious
the EM field is generally many orders of magnitude stronger than
the Gravity field
so the influence of the gravity
on the EM field
can hardly be noticed

ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------

From: mpc755 on 10 Aug 2010 09:38

On Aug 10, 9:06 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 2:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 4:48 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 10, 1:59 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 9, 6:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 9, 4:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The photon 'has the mass' because the photon is propagating through
> > > > > > dark matter displaced by matter.
>
> > > > > The photon consists of darkly dark matter, which is propagating
> > > > > through dark matter, unless the dark matter is displaced by matter,
> > > > > which in turn is a compressed form of nearly dark matter. Matter has
> > > > > mass, photons 'have mass', dark matter 'has' something that rhymes
> > > > > with 'mass', darkly dark matter holds Mass on Saturdays, and nearly
> > > > > dark matter brings huddled masses in through Ellis Island.
>
> > > > > One would be tempted to call all these kinds of dark matter just
> > > > > different shades of gray matter, but there isn't a lick of gray matter
> > > > > involved in anything Mike Cavedon says.
>
> > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > > water."
>
> > > > Why are you unable and unwilling to answer the following question?
>
> > > > What ripples?
>
> > > > Dark matter ripples. Dark matter has mass. Dark matter is the medium
> > > > of space. Three dimensional space consists of matter and dark matter.
>
> > > > In the physics of nature the galaxy cluster collision creates a dark
> > > > matter ripple.
>
> > > -------------------
> > > space has no properties whatsoever
>
> > > except hosting mass
>
> > > NO MASS - THE ONLY ONE-
> > > NO REAL PHYSICS !!!
>
> > > once you will (at last )--internalize it
> > > your physics life- will become a bit easier !!!
>
> > > (i know that current 'modern physicists' are dead scared of 'simple
> > > physics'
> > > because it will deprive them a lot of their personal income (:-)
> > > 2
> > > for parrots there is a need for
> > > counter parrots (:-)
>
> > > ATB
> > > Y.Porat
> > > ------------------------------
>
> > You didn't answer the question.
>
> > If space is a void then what ripples?
>
> > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > water."
>
> > The ripple is the displacement of dark matter.
>
> > When does the rippling stop? It doesn't.
> > Where does the dark matter end? It doesn't.
> > Where is space a void? It isn't.
> > Where is space void of dark matter? Only where there is matter.
>
> > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
>
> > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
> > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
> > disregarding the causes which condition its state."
>
> > Einstein might as well have been discussing dark matter. Dark matter
> > is aether (with mass).
>
> > The state of dark matter as determined by its connections with the
> > matter and the state of the dark matter in neighboring places is the
> > dark matter's state of displacement. The cause which conditions its
> > state is its displacement by matter.
>
> > Dark matter displaced by matter is not at rest.
> > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> --------------
> i told you many times
> what ripples --is mass in space !!
> so difficult to understand ???
>
> Y.P
> ----------------------------

The mass is dark matter.

Dark matter is displaced by matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
dark matter and matter is energy.

Mass is conserved.