Are Electric Fields Distrorted By Gravity? [Physics]

Prev: Relativistic "Doppler" shift, and why bp hates cap&trade derivatives [*], if they do.
Next: Proposed experiment for detection of absolute motion, and whether Murdoch/bp hate Captain Tax derivatives [*], re "climategate controversy."

From: PD on 6 Aug 2010 14:27

On Aug 6, 9:49 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 6, 10:41 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > > > > Henri, Mike Cavedon is tired of replying to himself, and so he's
> > > > > > baiting anybody who will bite. His only regular conversation partner
> > > > > > is a homeless guy who thinks he won two Nobel Prizes last year.
>
> > > > > You have never answered if the ripple reaches the Earth and if not
> > > > > then why not?
>
> > > > And I've told you the reason why I don't answer your questions. Do you
> > > > remember the reason? Does it make sense to you?
>
> > > Does the ripple eventually reach the Earth and if not then why not?
>
> > > Why won't you answer such a simple question?
>
> > I've already told you why I don't give YOU an answer to this simple
> > question. Why can you not remember or absorb that simple reason?
>
> Does the ripple eventually reach the Earth and if not then why not?
>
> Why won't you answer such a simple question?
>

Well, it's plain you cannot absorb the simple reason you aren't given
answers.
And so your only recourse is to repeat your question, which of course
further exacerbates the reason you aren't given answers.

Einstein did have an insight about this that you can quote, since
you're fond of quoting him:
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results."

PD

From: spudnik on 6 Aug 2010 14:49

you are about as exciting of a coreespondent as dishwater, but
darkmatter is just more effluvia of Einsteinmania,
reifying his bit of math about gravity,
ignoring the 99.99% of Universe that is plasma ... well,
maybe a tenth, because a recent discovery is that
dihyrdgen is much-more common than ionic hydrgen. but,
you see, no vacuum for your theory to be employed in.

you can ignore Kaluza's "stringtheory," if you like, but
it wasn't him who used the metaphor, and the math still works,
apparently (I'm not so good at that, either .-)

> You're the one who is supposedly trying to relate gravity with
> magnetism and electricity. They relate through dark matter

thus:
Al Gore: The Modern Cecil Rhodes
In fact, when you look at it, you find out that companies that were
founded in the tradition of Cecil Rhodes, are today heavily involved
in weapons deals that certainly involve South Africa. And here we
actually get a picture of the continued function of the policy of the
British East India Company, the old colonizing policy, the role of the
British Empire as it was founded more than 200 years ago.
http://www.larouchepub.com/lym/2007/3435lym_africa.html

thus: I agree, but he did start out with a good observation, iff and
iff only because I made it, two, a long, long, long time,
ago ... er, got it from Bucky!... so, how do you say that
"counting is dimensional?..." do androids dream of dimensional sheep?

--les ducs d'oil!
http://tarpley.net

--Light, A History!
http://wlym.com

From: BURT on 6 Aug 2010 15:23

On Aug 5, 4:20 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 6:25 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:47:46 -0700 (PDT), BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >On Aug 5, 4:24 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Aug 4, 11:36 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > On Aug 4, 8:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > On Aug 4, 11:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > On Aug 4, 10:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > > very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
> > >> > > > > > swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.
>
> > >> > > > > > did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?
>
> > >> > > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > >> > > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism and electricity.
>
> > >> > > > > A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The
> > >> > > > > particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. The
> > >> > > > > associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple
> > >> > > > > slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon
> > >> > > > > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> > >> > > > > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
> > >> > > > > matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
> > >> > > > > no interference.
>
> > >> > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> > >> > > > > Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> > >> > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> > >> > > > > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> > >> > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > >> > > > > Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> > >> > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > >> > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy and
> > >> > > > conservation of mass.
>
> > >> > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
> > >> > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2..pdf
>
> > >> > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> > >> > > > diminishes by L/c2."
>
> > >> > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
> > >> > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
> > >> > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
> > >> > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
> > >> > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
> > >> > > > dark matter and matter is energy.
>
> > >> > > > Mass is conserved.
>
> > >> > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > >> > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy,
> > >> > > conservation of mass and time.
>
> > >> > > The rate at which a clock ticks is determined by the dark matter
> > >> > > pressure in which it exists. The faster a clock moves with respect to
> > >> > > the dark matter the greater the dark matter pressure exerted towards
> > >> > > and throughout the clock, the slower the clock ticks. The greater the
> > >> > > pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter (i.e. gravity) the
> > >> > > slower the clock ticks.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
> > >> > > > > > > > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
> > >> > > > > > > > > than the other two.
>
> > >> > > > > > thus: incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
> > >> > > > > > as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
> > >> > > > > > both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.
>
> > >> > > > > > thus: that's kind-of a British thing,
> > >> > > > > > to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
> > >> > > > > > perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
>
> > >> > > > > > > If every sentence you
> > >> > > > > > > write has 5 commas in it
>
> > >> > > > > > thus: the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
> > >> > > > > > but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."http://unsolvedproblems.org/
>
> > >> > > > > > --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>
> > >> > > > > > --Light, A History!http://wlym.com-Hidequotedtext-
>
> > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> > Electric fields are round. Gravity is sphere. Magentic fields come
> > >> > double round.
>
> > >> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > >> Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> > >> Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> > >> Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> > >> Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> > >> Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > >> Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> > >> Gravity, magnetism, and electricity are all variations of dark matter
> > >> displacement.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >The shape of gravity is a round domain.
>
> > Why don't you two emigrate together to a remote island in the Pacific....
>
> > >Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Henry Wilson...
>
> > .......Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.
>
> You're the one who is supposedly trying to relate gravity with
> magnetism and electricity. They relate through dark matter
> displacement.
>
> Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Please keep account of the quantity of claims that you make.

Mitch Raemsch

From: mpc755 on 6 Aug 2010 15:47

On Aug 6, 2:27 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 6, 9:49 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 6, 10:41 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Henri, Mike Cavedon is tired of replying to himself, and so he's
> > > > > > > baiting anybody who will bite. His only regular conversation partner
> > > > > > > is a homeless guy who thinks he won two Nobel Prizes last year.
>
> > > > > > You have never answered if the ripple reaches the Earth and if not
> > > > > > then why not?
>
> > > > > And I've told you the reason why I don't answer your questions. Do you
> > > > > remember the reason? Does it make sense to you?
>
> > > > Does the ripple eventually reach the Earth and if not then why not?
>
> > > > Why won't you answer such a simple question?
>
> > > I've already told you why I don't give YOU an answer to this simple
> > > question. Why can you not remember or absorb that simple reason?
>
> > Does the ripple eventually reach the Earth and if not then why not?
>
> > Why won't you answer such a simple question?
>
> Well, it's plain you cannot absorb the simple reason you aren't given
> answers.
> And so your only recourse is to repeat your question, which of course
> further exacerbates the reason you aren't given answers.
>
> Einstein did have an insight about this that you can quote, since
> you're fond of quoting him:
> "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
> different results."
>
> PD

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two
entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory
surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the
course of time; or else with the help of small floats, for instance we
can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters
in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking
the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental
impossibility in physics if, in fact, nothing else whatever were
observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it
varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water
consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise
it as a medium."

Einstein might as well have been discussing dark matter. Dark matter
is aether (with mass).

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of dark matter as determined by its connections with the
matter and the state of the dark matter in neighboring places is the
dark matter's state of displacement. The cause which conditions its
state is its displacement by matter.

Does the ripple eventually reach the Earth and if not then why not?

Why won't you answer such a simple question?

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

"Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.

A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. In
a double slit experiment, the particle travels a single path and
enters and exits a single slit. The associated dark matter
displacement wave enters and exits multiple slits. The dark matter
displacement wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which
alters the direction the particle travels. Detecting the particle
causes decoherence of the associated dark matter displacement wave
(i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference.

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
Dark matter is displaced by matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
dark matter and matter is energy.

Mass is conserved.

From: mpc755 on 6 Aug 2010 15:48

On Aug 6, 2:49 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> you are about as exciting of a coreespondent as dishwater, but
> darkmatter is just more effluvia of Einsteinmania,
> reifying his bit of math about gravity,
> ignoring the 99.99% of Universe that is plasma ... well,
> maybe a tenth, because a recent discovery is that
> dihyrdgen is much-more common than ionic hydrgen. but,
> you see, no vacuum for your theory to be employed in.
>
> you can ignore Kaluza's "stringtheory," if you like, but
> it wasn't him who used the metaphor, and the math still works,
> apparently (I'm not so good at that, either .-)
>
> > You're the one who is supposedly trying to relate gravity with
> > magnetism and electricity. They relate through dark matter
>
> thus:
> Al Gore: The Modern Cecil Rhodes
> In fact, when you look at it, you find out that companies that were
> founded in the tradition of Cecil Rhodes, are today heavily involved
> in weapons deals that certainly involve South Africa. And here we
> actually get a picture of the continued function of the policy of the
> British East India Company, the old colonizing policy, the role of the
> British Empire as it was founded more than 200 years ago.http://www.larouchepub.com/lym/2007/3435lym_africa.html
>
> thus: I agree, but he did start out with a good observation, iff and
> iff only because I made it, two, a long, long, long time,
> ago ... er, got it from Bucky!... so, how do you say that
> "counting is dimensional?..." do androids dream of dimensional sheep?
>
> --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>
> --Light, A History!http://wlym.com

Does the ripple eventually reach the Earth and if not then why not?

Why won't you answer such a simple question?

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

"Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.

A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. In
a double slit experiment, the particle travels a single path and
enters and exits a single slit. The associated dark matter
displacement wave enters and exits multiple slits. The dark matter
displacement wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which
alters the direction the particle travels. Detecting the particle
causes decoherence of the associated dark matter displacement wave
(i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference.

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
Dark matter is displaced by matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
dark matter and matter is energy.

Mass is conserved.