CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
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From: George Hammond on 3 Jan 2010 18:24 On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:29:59 +1300, "Geopelia" <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >"George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >news:ndl1k590setpic5s2bor0u5lr5qfgu2tt3(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:37:20 +1300, "Geopelia" >> <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >> >>> >>>"George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >>>news:b550k55penugum558206bivkv92l4ihn3e(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:57:06 +1300, "Geopelia" >>>> <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>(Geopelia) >>>>>But what's the point knowing it [heaven] exists, if we can't come back? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> [Hammond] >>>> First of all, if there is a heaven there is also a hell. >>>> And people who are sent to hell will not be ALLOWED to >>>> leave. Secondly, heaven is basically this same world we >>>> are in, you will just see it through different eyes and feel >>>> it through a better body. >>>> But don't for a moment underestimate how different this >>>> world would look if you're resurrected body (a.k.a. >>>> "spiritual body") had a zero growth deficit. Words like; >>>> splendor, magnificence, grandeur don't even begin to >>>> describe the experience of "eternal life" which as you >>>> recall is a "bodily condition" not a "time duration". >>>> As far as "coming back to this world" I have no doubt >>>> that should you be elected to go to heaven you will probably >>>> be making many sorties back to the world you knew. >>>> In fact, while we're on the subject, it is interesting to >>>> conjecture just exactly what heaven must be like. In the >>>> first place my research indicates that it is somewhere >>>> between the ordinary "reality" that we are all familiar >>>> with, and a "dream" meaning a nocturnal dream (albeit one >>>> involving all five senses). It is apt to be a mixture of >>>> both and superimposed on it all are transitions in and out >>>> of "pure heaven" (i.e. in and out of the perfect body). >>>> Basically, our ordinary Hollywood movies are probably a >>>> crude caricature of what this experience must be like. >>>> I imagine that the afterlife begins with an unbelievable >>>> assent directly into the full-blown splendor of seeing this >>>> earthly reality through the eyes of "flat subjective >>>> space-time" a.k.a. seeing reality through the "eyes of God" >>>> through a perfect body. This initial phase probably last >>>> for at least 10 or 15 minutes, and in and of itself it >>>> constitutes complete and absolute salvation to eternal life. >>>> This is part of a failsafe mechanism because the body has no >>>> idea how long it is going to last back on Earth once the >>>> neuronal system goes "flat line". In the case of an atomic >>>> bomb blast the entire brain could disappear in 1 ns, and one >>>> nano second dilated by the Frohlich's frequency/neuronal >>>> frequency ratio works out to about 15 minutes in Heaven. >>>> This means God has to provide complete salvation to eternal >>>> life in the first 15 minutes of the afterlife dream. >>>> Now assuming that you didn't get hit by an atomic bomb >>>> blast and in fact died during sleep in your bed, the >>>> afterlife movie will continue with other added attractions. >>>> There may be "fades" and "zooms" and "cuts" and "dissolves" >>>> (to use cinematic jargon) in which a "life review" is >>>> experienced. There may even be a "purgatorial" phase. This >>>> is doubtlessly organized according to some hierarchy of >>>> priorities always with the view that it could end at any >>>> moment because of the earthly condition of the brain >>>> cytoskeleton after death. >>>> At any rate, assuming that nothing drastic happens to the >>>> corpse in the first microsecond after death you would >>>> continue on in heaven basically in a condition of >>>> splendorous exaltation for as long as maybe months or even >>>> years in some cases. If one nano second dilates into 15 >>>> minutes, then 1 micro second would dilate into 1.7 years. >>>> which is probably in the ballpark for the average >>>> run-of-the-mill human death. >>>> Every wrong that was ever done you will be righted every >>>> injustice rectified every evil undone. At the same time you >>>> can plan to pay the price for all of those little vicious >>>> insults your indulgent overprivileged habits led you into. >>> >>> >>>(Geopelia) >>>That sounds good, but there is no way of proving it. >>> >>> >> [Hammond] >> Says who; you? >> The first step is to prove it's "possible". Science has >> just done that. >>> >>> >>>Wasn't Christianity thought to be a religion for slaves in the early days >>>in >>>Rome? >>> >>> >> [Hammond] >> So was Democracy. Now it's the law of the land. What's >> your point? >>> >>> >>>This could be considered the same sort of thing, couldn't it? >>>Something for the poor and downtrodden to hope for after death? >>> >>> >> [Hammond] >> Obviously. What's your point? > >(Geopelia) >I suppose, that those who have had a raw deal in this world can hope for >something better after death. >Teach them that, and they may be more contented with their lot and not cause >trouble for their superiors. > > [Hammond] Banalities and trite metaphors such as that belong in Sunday school class jfor children, not in an advanced scholarly discussion requiring an in depth knowlege of Religion, History and Science. ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 =======================================
From: Occidental on 3 Jan 2010 20:26 On Jan 2, 3:07 pm, BruceS <bruce...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 1, 9:21 pm, Occidental <Occiden...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > BruceS <bruce...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Geo, could you (or anyone) possibly need more evidence of the diseased > > > state of Hammond's mind > > > I think you go too far. Hammond does not suffer from any recognized > > psychiatric condition, but inhabits the twilight zone between the > > clinical and the normal. Among Usenet nutjobs he would have to be > > placed at the high-functioning end of the spectrum. > > You may be right. The truth is, I haven't spent much time reading his > stuff. Everything I have seen from him points to a deeply damaged and > barely functioning mind As far as I can see he is simply a garden variety kook. He has convinced himself that the 3 elements of human personality (Extraversion, Neuroticism and Psychoticism) revealed by Factor Analysis (a statistical technique for finding a small number of hidden variables in aggregate data) correspond to the 3 dimensions of space. ("So, " he writes "we have answered the question "why is psychology 3- dimensional" - the answer is "because space is 3-dimensional". This then, is the beginning of the connection of Psychology to Relativity.") But, since General Relativity posits a fourth dimension, a corresponding 4th personality dimension must exist in the human mind, i.e. God. Or something like that. His underlying problem appears to be that he perceives logical or causal connections abnormally, finding correspondence where none exists. This IMO is the basic kook pathology. The rest is just normal grandiosity at being the discoverer of this world-changing idea, and understandable frustration with a world that ignores him. Hammond has even written his Nobel Acceptance Speech. No, I'm not kidding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/0db5caa1d1776e44?hl=en&dmode=source Despite what you may be thinking, this is worth a read; it is well- written, modest, humane and intelligent, not the product of a "deeply damaged and barely functioning mind". Why is it intelligent? you ask. Because, among other things he correctly realizes that a scientific proof of God will necessarily nullify the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment ("Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"). Also, he knows what "ecumenical" means. Of course, there is no chance of him receiving it, any more than an American could be awarded a Nobel merely for being elected president. As I said earlier, kooks lie on a continuum. Here is a case at the extreme wacko end, with all logical and causal connections shot to hell, compared with whom GH is almost normal: http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d421ec7225ffe02a?hl=en&dmode=source ================================================================== > > One must ask - if Hammond is all you say he is, why are you so > > preoccupied with him? > > Hah! Well, I have to say that I'm not preoccupied with him, or with > his fellow travelers. At times, I find his ilk amusing, and I play > along a bit, but mostly I ignore them. I'm much more likely to read > and post when someone I respect seems to be interacting with one of > them. My complaint about Usenet is that, given the choice between kook and normal, most posters, however bright and knowledgeable, will respond to the kook. That is why I challenged you about responding to Hammond. You cannot make an unreasonable person reasonable by reasoning with him. rec.org.mensa has seriously deteriorated over the years; so have other NGs. There was a time when substantial discussions took place. Not often, but often enough to make place worth visiting. By slow degrees the kooks took over, causing the better contributors to disappear one- by-one. And here we are.
From: Geopelia on 3 Jan 2010 22:11 "George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message news:8g92k5l7g7pcu2cvkd3d0crve4nhkc6fsq(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:29:59 +1300, "Geopelia" > <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >> >>"George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >>news:ndl1k590setpic5s2bor0u5lr5qfgu2tt3(a)4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:37:20 +1300, "Geopelia" >>> <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >>>>news:b550k55penugum558206bivkv92l4ihn3e(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:57:06 +1300, "Geopelia" >>>>> <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>(Geopelia) >>>>>>But what's the point knowing it [heaven] exists, if we can't come >>>>>>back? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> [Hammond] >>>>> First of all, if there is a heaven there is also a hell. >>>>> And people who are sent to hell will not be ALLOWED to >>>>> leave. Secondly, heaven is basically this same world we >>>>> are in, you will just see it through different eyes and feel >>>>> it through a better body. >>>>> But don't for a moment underestimate how different this >>>>> world would look if you're resurrected body (a.k.a. >>>>> "spiritual body") had a zero growth deficit. Words like; >>>>> splendor, magnificence, grandeur don't even begin to >>>>> describe the experience of "eternal life" which as you >>>>> recall is a "bodily condition" not a "time duration". >>>>> As far as "coming back to this world" I have no doubt >>>>> that should you be elected to go to heaven you will probably >>>>> be making many sorties back to the world you knew. >>>>> In fact, while we're on the subject, it is interesting to >>>>> conjecture just exactly what heaven must be like. In the >>>>> first place my research indicates that it is somewhere >>>>> between the ordinary "reality" that we are all familiar >>>>> with, and a "dream" meaning a nocturnal dream (albeit one >>>>> involving all five senses). It is apt to be a mixture of >>>>> both and superimposed on it all are transitions in and out >>>>> of "pure heaven" (i.e. in and out of the perfect body). >>>>> Basically, our ordinary Hollywood movies are probably a >>>>> crude caricature of what this experience must be like. >>>>> I imagine that the afterlife begins with an unbelievable >>>>> assent directly into the full-blown splendor of seeing this >>>>> earthly reality through the eyes of "flat subjective >>>>> space-time" a.k.a. seeing reality through the "eyes of God" >>>>> through a perfect body. This initial phase probably last >>>>> for at least 10 or 15 minutes, and in and of itself it >>>>> constitutes complete and absolute salvation to eternal life. >>>>> This is part of a failsafe mechanism because the body has no >>>>> idea how long it is going to last back on Earth once the >>>>> neuronal system goes "flat line". In the case of an atomic >>>>> bomb blast the entire brain could disappear in 1 ns, and one >>>>> nano second dilated by the Frohlich's frequency/neuronal >>>>> frequency ratio works out to about 15 minutes in Heaven. >>>>> This means God has to provide complete salvation to eternal >>>>> life in the first 15 minutes of the afterlife dream. >>>>> Now assuming that you didn't get hit by an atomic bomb >>>>> blast and in fact died during sleep in your bed, the >>>>> afterlife movie will continue with other added attractions. >>>>> There may be "fades" and "zooms" and "cuts" and "dissolves" >>>>> (to use cinematic jargon) in which a "life review" is >>>>> experienced. There may even be a "purgatorial" phase. This >>>>> is doubtlessly organized according to some hierarchy of >>>>> priorities always with the view that it could end at any >>>>> moment because of the earthly condition of the brain >>>>> cytoskeleton after death. >>>>> At any rate, assuming that nothing drastic happens to the >>>>> corpse in the first microsecond after death you would >>>>> continue on in heaven basically in a condition of >>>>> splendorous exaltation for as long as maybe months or even >>>>> years in some cases. If one nano second dilates into 15 >>>>> minutes, then 1 micro second would dilate into 1.7 years. >>>>> which is probably in the ballpark for the average >>>>> run-of-the-mill human death. >>>>> Every wrong that was ever done you will be righted every >>>>> injustice rectified every evil undone. At the same time you >>>>> can plan to pay the price for all of those little vicious >>>>> insults your indulgent overprivileged habits led you into. >>>> >>>> >>>>(Geopelia) >>>>That sounds good, but there is no way of proving it. >>>> >>>> >>> [Hammond] >>> Says who; you? >>> The first step is to prove it's "possible". Science has >>> just done that. >>>> >>>> >>>>Wasn't Christianity thought to be a religion for slaves in the early >>>>days >>>>in >>>>Rome? >>>> >>>> >>> [Hammond] >>> So was Democracy. Now it's the law of the land. What's >>> your point? >>>> >>>> >>>>This could be considered the same sort of thing, couldn't it? >>>>Something for the poor and downtrodden to hope for after death? >>>> >>>> >>> [Hammond] >>> Obviously. What's your point? >> >>(Geopelia) >>I suppose, that those who have had a raw deal in this world can hope for >>something better after death. >>Teach them that, and they may be more contented with their lot and not >>cause >>trouble for their superiors. >> >> > [Hammond] > Banalities and trite metaphors such as that belong in > Sunday school class jfor children, not in an advanced > scholarly discussion requiring an in depth knowlege of > Religion, History and Science. I'm just an ignorant agnostic who asks silly questions, and I don't claim to be anything else. But sometimes "out of the mouths of babes and sucklings.........."
From: Geopelia on 3 Jan 2010 22:24 "George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message news:gc62k5pdv90adjef980t1irs7vdl0iigri(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:24:50 +1300, "Geopelia" > <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >> >>"George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >>news:73m1k5dnisic4jlcpk8j9qrejrvchulh6r(a)4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:38:29 -0600, purple >>> <purple(a)colorme.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On 01/03/2010 05:37 AM, Geopelia wrote: >>>>> "George Hammond"<Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:b550k55penugum558206bivkv92l4ihn3e(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:57:06 +1300, "Geopelia" >>>>>> <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Geopelia) >>>>>>> But what's the point knowing it [heaven] exists, if we can't come >>>>>>> back? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> [Hammond] >>>>>> First of all, if there is a heaven there is also a hell. >>>>>> And people who are sent to hell will not be ALLOWED to >>>>>> leave. Secondly, heaven is basically this same world we >>>>>> are in, you will just see it through different eyes and feel >>>>>> it through a better body. >>>>>> But don't for a moment underestimate how different this >>>>>> world would look if you're resurrected body (a.k.a. >>>>>> "spiritual body") had a zero growth deficit. Words like; >>>>>> splendor, magnificence, grandeur don't even begin to >>>>>> describe the experience of "eternal life" which as you >>>>>> recall is a "bodily condition" not a "time duration". >>>>>> As far as "coming back to this world" I have no doubt >>>>>> that should you be elected to go to heaven you will probably >>>>>> be making many sorties back to the world you knew. >>>>>> In fact, while we're on the subject, it is interesting to >>>>>> conjecture just exactly what heaven must be like. In the >>>>>> first place my research indicates that it is somewhere >>>>>> between the ordinary "reality" that we are all familiar >>>>>> with, and a "dream" meaning a nocturnal dream (albeit one >>>>>> involving all five senses). It is apt to be a mixture of >>>>>> both and superimposed on it all are transitions in and out >>>>>> of "pure heaven" (i.e. in and out of the perfect body). >>>>>> Basically, our ordinary Hollywood movies are probably a >>>>>> crude caricature of what this experience must be like. >>>>>> I imagine that the afterlife begins with an unbelievable >>>>>> assent directly into the full-blown splendor of seeing this >>>>>> earthly reality through the eyes of "flat subjective >>>>>> space-time" a.k.a. seeing reality through the "eyes of God" >>>>>> through a perfect body. This initial phase probably last >>>>>> for at least 10 or 15 minutes, and in and of itself it >>>>>> constitutes complete and absolute salvation to eternal life. >>>>>> This is part of a failsafe mechanism because the body has no >>>>>> idea how long it is going to last back on Earth once the >>>>>> neuronal system goes "flat line". In the case of an atomic >>>>>> bomb blast the entire brain could disappear in 1 ns, and one >>>>>> nano second dilated by the Frohlich's frequency/neuronal >>>>>> frequency ratio works out to about 15 minutes in Heaven. >>>>>> This means God has to provide complete salvation to eternal >>>>>> life in the first 15 minutes of the afterlife dream. >>>>>> Now assuming that you didn't get hit by an atomic bomb >>>>>> blast and in fact died during sleep in your bed, the >>>>>> afterlife movie will continue with other added attractions. >>>>>> There may be "fades" and "zooms" and "cuts" and "dissolves" >>>>>> (to use cinematic jargon) in which a "life review" is >>>>>> experienced. There may even be a "purgatorial" phase. This >>>>>> is doubtlessly organized according to some hierarchy of >>>>>> priorities always with the view that it could end at any >>>>>> moment because of the earthly condition of the brain >>>>>> cytoskeleton after death. >>>>>> At any rate, assuming that nothing drastic happens to the >>>>>> corpse in the first microsecond after death you would >>>>>> continue on in heaven basically in a condition of >>>>>> splendorous exaltation for as long as maybe months or even >>>>>> years in some cases. If one nano second dilates into 15 >>>>>> minutes, then 1 micro second would dilate into 1.7 years. >>>>>> which is probably in the ballpark for the average >>>>>> run-of-the-mill human death. >>>>>> Every wrong that was ever done you will be righted every >>>>>> injustice rectified every evil undone. At the same time you >>>>>> can plan to pay the price for all of those little vicious >>>>>> insults your indulgent overprivileged habits led you into. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (Geopelia) >>>>> That sounds good, but there is no way of proving it. >>>>> >>>>> Wasn't Christianity thought to be a religion for slaves in the early >>>>> days in >>>>> Rome? >>>> >>>> >>>>As was Judaism in an earlier time. >>>> >>>> >>> [Hammond] >>> Na. Religion (even monotheism) began with the high >>> priests and Pharohs of ancient Egypt, which is where Israel >>> learned it. There is much speculation (Freud and others) >>> that Moses was half Egyptian. >>> Religion is as much an occupation of the rich as it is of >>> the poor. One look at the Vatican will tell you that. >> >> >>(Geopelia) >>Moses was the son of a Hebrew woman. Who knows who his father was? >>He was brought up by Pharaoah's daughter like an Egyptian prince. >> >> > [Hammond] > Even you should be old enough to see thru that typically > female cover story. More likely the Egyptian princess > herself had an illegitimate son by an Israeli retainer > working for the Pharoh and she concocted the cover story so > she could bring him up in the Pharohs court. Freud was of > the same opinion by the way... see his _Moses and > Monotheism_ 1939. Tradition has it that Moses was a > Levite, meaning that probably his father was a Levite and > his mother was an Egyptian. >> >> >> >>Abraham came from Ur many years before. He seems to have worshipped one >>God. >>Well that's the Bible version. >> >> > [Hammond] > The "Bible version" wasn't written until 800 BC during > the Babylonian captivity 500 years after the fact and > doublessly is only a fable. > There were bazillions of local gods of small towns and > tribes in the early days. Fact is the Hebrews didn't > discover monotheism until they moved to Egypt and learned > about Akhenaten's monotheistic "Aten" religion. Moses gave > this "Aten" religion to his followers since he was half > Egyptian and raised in Akhenaten 's court. > However, on their way back to the promised land they > passed through Midian and met up with another large group of > Hebrews who were worshiping a Midianite volcano god named > "Yahweh". According to Freud (and others) a tough political > negotiation between Moses and the Midianite priests resulted > in a compromise wherby (Egyptian) monotheism was retained > but they agreed to rename the supreme God "Yahweh" which was > the name of the Midianite volcano god. This event > transpired in a place called Qades in Midian. > Incidentally, the Jews also picked up circumcision in > Egypt, since all Egyptians were circumcised, in fact the > Egyptians invented the procedure early on to try and beat > back VD epidemics. (Geopelia) I Googled "Moses and Akhenaten." There seem to be many websites about them. I'll follow those up. But hasn't Freud now rather gone out of fashion? When I was young it was thought Moses' Pharaoh was Ramses II. >> >> >>It's often said that the treasures of the Vatican should be sold and the >>money given to the poor. >> >> > [Hammond] > The poor are already own them. The Vatican is the > defender of the faith and therefore the defender of the > poor. The Vatican's vast wealth is a weapon wielded against > tyranny and oppression by millions, indeed billions. of > impoverished followers of the Catholic faith. Your view of > religious history appears to be rather banal. (Geopelia) Very likely. I was brought up Church of England back in the thirties. Good old King James Version and the Book of Common Prayer. But I often refer to the Catholic Encyclopaedia for their official view.
From: George Hammond on 3 Jan 2010 23:02
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:11:40 +1300, "Geopelia" <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >"George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >news:8g92k5l7g7pcu2cvkd3d0crve4nhkc6fsq(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:29:59 +1300, "Geopelia" >> <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >> >>> >>>"George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >>>news:ndl1k590setpic5s2bor0u5lr5qfgu2tt3(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:37:20 +1300, "Geopelia" >>>> <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:b550k55penugum558206bivkv92l4ihn3e(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:57:06 +1300, "Geopelia" >>>>>> <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>(Geopelia) >>>>>>>But what's the point knowing it [heaven] exists, if we can't come >>>>>>>back? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> [Hammond] >>>>>> First of all, if there is a heaven there is also a hell. >>>>>> And people who are sent to hell will not be ALLOWED to >>>>>> leave. Secondly, heaven is basically this same world we >>>>>> are in, you will just see it through different eyes and feel >>>>>> it through a better body. >>>>>> But don't for a moment underestimate how different this >>>>>> world would look if you're resurrected body (a.k.a. >>>>>> "spiritual body") had a zero growth deficit. Words like; >>>>>> splendor, magnificence, grandeur don't even begin to >>>>>> describe the experience of "eternal life" which as you >>>>>> recall is a "bodily condition" not a "time duration". >>>>>> As far as "coming back to this world" I have no doubt >>>>>> that should you be elected to go to heaven you will probably >>>>>> be making many sorties back to the world you knew. >>>>>> In fact, while we're on the subject, it is interesting to >>>>>> conjecture just exactly what heaven must be like. In the >>>>>> first place my research indicates that it is somewhere >>>>>> between the ordinary "reality" that we are all familiar >>>>>> with, and a "dream" meaning a nocturnal dream (albeit one >>>>>> involving all five senses). It is apt to be a mixture of >>>>>> both and superimposed on it all are transitions in and out >>>>>> of "pure heaven" (i.e. in and out of the perfect body). >>>>>> Basically, our ordinary Hollywood movies are probably a >>>>>> crude caricature of what this experience must be like. >>>>>> I imagine that the afterlife begins with an unbelievable >>>>>> assent directly into the full-blown splendor of seeing this >>>>>> earthly reality through the eyes of "flat subjective >>>>>> space-time" a.k.a. seeing reality through the "eyes of God" >>>>>> through a perfect body. This initial phase probably last >>>>>> for at least 10 or 15 minutes, and in and of itself it >>>>>> constitutes complete and absolute salvation to eternal life. >>>>>> This is part of a failsafe mechanism because the body has no >>>>>> idea how long it is going to last back on Earth once the >>>>>> neuronal system goes "flat line". In the case of an atomic >>>>>> bomb blast the entire brain could disappear in 1 ns, and one >>>>>> nano second dilated by the Frohlich's frequency/neuronal >>>>>> frequency ratio works out to about 15 minutes in Heaven. >>>>>> This means God has to provide complete salvation to eternal >>>>>> life in the first 15 minutes of the afterlife dream. >>>>>> Now assuming that you didn't get hit by an atomic bomb >>>>>> blast and in fact died during sleep in your bed, the >>>>>> afterlife movie will continue with other added attractions. >>>>>> There may be "fades" and "zooms" and "cuts" and "dissolves" >>>>>> (to use cinematic jargon) in which a "life review" is >>>>>> experienced. There may even be a "purgatorial" phase. This >>>>>> is doubtlessly organized according to some hierarchy of >>>>>> priorities always with the view that it could end at any >>>>>> moment because of the earthly condition of the brain >>>>>> cytoskeleton after death. >>>>>> At any rate, assuming that nothing drastic happens to the >>>>>> corpse in the first microsecond after death you would >>>>>> continue on in heaven basically in a condition of >>>>>> splendorous exaltation for as long as maybe months or even >>>>>> years in some cases. If one nano second dilates into 15 >>>>>> minutes, then 1 micro second would dilate into 1.7 years. >>>>>> which is probably in the ballpark for the average >>>>>> run-of-the-mill human death. >>>>>> Every wrong that was ever done you will be righted every >>>>>> injustice rectified every evil undone. At the same time you >>>>>> can plan to pay the price for all of those little vicious >>>>>> insults your indulgent overprivileged habits led you into. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>(Geopelia) >>>>>That sounds good, but there is no way of proving it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> [Hammond] >>>> Says who; you? >>>> The first step is to prove it's "possible". Science has >>>> just done that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Wasn't Christianity thought to be a religion for slaves in the early >>>>>days >>>>>in >>>>>Rome? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> [Hammond] >>>> So was Democracy. Now it's the law of the land. What's >>>> your point? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This could be considered the same sort of thing, couldn't it? >>>>>Something for the poor and downtrodden to hope for after death? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> [Hammond] >>>> Obviously. What's your point? >>> >>>(Geopelia) >>>I suppose, that those who have had a raw deal in this world can hope for >>>something better after death. >>>Teach them that, and they may be more contented with their lot and not >>>cause >>>trouble for their superiors. >>> >>> >> [Hammond] >> Banalities and trite metaphors such as that belong in >> Sunday school class jfor children, not in an advanced >> scholarly discussion requiring an in depth knowlege of >> Religion, History and Science. > >I'm just an ignorant agnostic who asks silly questions, and I don't claim to >be anything else. >But sometimes "out of the mouths of babes and sucklings.........." > > [Hammond] Anybody your age who considers themselves an "agnostic" ought to be flogged or put in jail quite frankly. You're old enough to know better. ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ======================================= |