CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
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From: George Hammond on 3 Jan 2010 00:29 On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 03:05:54 -0000, "Androcles" <Headmaster(a)Hogwarts.physics_q> wrote: > >"spiritual energy" <solidstate(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message >news:27ada4bb-b08c-4e11-a3f7-2b1853ee8666(a)d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >> An afterlife is pretty much impossible without some sort of higher >> physical principle or some sort of a higher fundamental force. Some >> may call this higher principle God. Currently there is no evidence for >> such a force and there is no evidence for the existence of any God but >> since one can never really prove a negative, life after death remains >> a possibility because there are still so many things we don't >> understand about the fundamental structure of reality. > >A windup gramophone record performs the same function as 1 Gbyte >memory stick, only the technology differs. You can play the same >piece of music from either. >Replace every neuron in your brain with a circuit that performs the >identical function the neuron performed, load it with your own memories >and the problem is solved, you'll have eternal life. You can shut down >your flesh and bones body, step into a plastic and steel version with >cameras for eyes, solenoids for muscles, tactile sensors for fingers >etc., and never know the difference. It won't be easy, but it is possible. >The only god needed is you. The "spirit" of your computer is the >software you run on it, and it can run my software and behave in >exactly the same way as my computer. So stop looking for the >mysterious that you'll never understand, start realising you are a >machine that operates on software and the software is you. > [Hammond] There seems to be a lacuna in your education. Prof. Frank Tipler (Tulane) has already published that theory in a celebrated 1994 book entitled _The Physics of Immortality_. The problem is, as his book points out, you would need an astronomical sized computer to do the job because what you're doing is creating a person from scratch. My theory reduces the size of the computer by a double exponential sized factor, because the computer in my theory is the cytoskeleton of the brain, and a complete physical image of the body is already built into the cytoskeleton so Nature is not starting from scratch, it's only starting from slightly below the surface of our actual bodies. Your theory, and Tiplers theory are science fiction. My theory is REAL SCIENCE! ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 =======================================
From: eric gisse on 3 Jan 2010 00:56 George Hammond wrote: [...] > Your theory, and Tiplers theory are science fiction. My > theory is REAL SCIENCE! I agree. REAL SCIENCE! is frequently (cross!)posted to sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, alt.politics, rec.org.mensa,alt.philosophy. > ======================================== > GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE > Primary site > http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond > Mirror site > http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com > HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto > http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 > =======================================
From: Geopelia on 3 Jan 2010 06:37 "George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message news:b550k55penugum558206bivkv92l4ihn3e(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:57:06 +1300, "Geopelia" > <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > >> >>(Geopelia) >>But what's the point knowing it [heaven] exists, if we can't come back? >> >> >> > [Hammond] > First of all, if there is a heaven there is also a hell. > And people who are sent to hell will not be ALLOWED to > leave. Secondly, heaven is basically this same world we > are in, you will just see it through different eyes and feel > it through a better body. > But don't for a moment underestimate how different this > world would look if you're resurrected body (a.k.a. > "spiritual body") had a zero growth deficit. Words like; > splendor, magnificence, grandeur don't even begin to > describe the experience of "eternal life" which as you > recall is a "bodily condition" not a "time duration". > As far as "coming back to this world" I have no doubt > that should you be elected to go to heaven you will probably > be making many sorties back to the world you knew. > In fact, while we're on the subject, it is interesting to > conjecture just exactly what heaven must be like. In the > first place my research indicates that it is somewhere > between the ordinary "reality" that we are all familiar > with, and a "dream" meaning a nocturnal dream (albeit one > involving all five senses). It is apt to be a mixture of > both and superimposed on it all are transitions in and out > of "pure heaven" (i.e. in and out of the perfect body). > Basically, our ordinary Hollywood movies are probably a > crude caricature of what this experience must be like. > I imagine that the afterlife begins with an unbelievable > assent directly into the full-blown splendor of seeing this > earthly reality through the eyes of "flat subjective > space-time" a.k.a. seeing reality through the "eyes of God" > through a perfect body. This initial phase probably last > for at least 10 or 15 minutes, and in and of itself it > constitutes complete and absolute salvation to eternal life. > This is part of a failsafe mechanism because the body has no > idea how long it is going to last back on Earth once the > neuronal system goes "flat line". In the case of an atomic > bomb blast the entire brain could disappear in 1 ns, and one > nano second dilated by the Frohlich's frequency/neuronal > frequency ratio works out to about 15 minutes in Heaven. > This means God has to provide complete salvation to eternal > life in the first 15 minutes of the afterlife dream. > Now assuming that you didn't get hit by an atomic bomb > blast and in fact died during sleep in your bed, the > afterlife movie will continue with other added attractions. > There may be "fades" and "zooms" and "cuts" and "dissolves" > (to use cinematic jargon) in which a "life review" is > experienced. There may even be a "purgatorial" phase. This > is doubtlessly organized according to some hierarchy of > priorities always with the view that it could end at any > moment because of the earthly condition of the brain > cytoskeleton after death. > At any rate, assuming that nothing drastic happens to the > corpse in the first microsecond after death you would > continue on in heaven basically in a condition of > splendorous exaltation for as long as maybe months or even > years in some cases. If one nano second dilates into 15 > minutes, then 1 micro second would dilate into 1.7 years. > which is probably in the ballpark for the average > run-of-the-mill human death. > Every wrong that was ever done you will be righted every > injustice rectified every evil undone. At the same time you > can plan to pay the price for all of those little vicious > insults your indulgent overprivileged habits led you into. (Geopelia) That sounds good, but there is no way of proving it. Wasn't Christianity thought to be a religion for slaves in the early days in Rome? This could be considered the same sort of thing, couldn't it? Something for the poor and downtrodden to hope for after death?
From: purple on 3 Jan 2010 09:38 On 01/03/2010 05:37 AM, Geopelia wrote: > "George Hammond"<Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message > news:b550k55penugum558206bivkv92l4ihn3e(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:57:06 +1300, "Geopelia" >> <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> (Geopelia) >>> But what's the point knowing it [heaven] exists, if we can't come back? >>> >>> >>> >> [Hammond] >> First of all, if there is a heaven there is also a hell. >> And people who are sent to hell will not be ALLOWED to >> leave. Secondly, heaven is basically this same world we >> are in, you will just see it through different eyes and feel >> it through a better body. >> But don't for a moment underestimate how different this >> world would look if you're resurrected body (a.k.a. >> "spiritual body") had a zero growth deficit. Words like; >> splendor, magnificence, grandeur don't even begin to >> describe the experience of "eternal life" which as you >> recall is a "bodily condition" not a "time duration". >> As far as "coming back to this world" I have no doubt >> that should you be elected to go to heaven you will probably >> be making many sorties back to the world you knew. >> In fact, while we're on the subject, it is interesting to >> conjecture just exactly what heaven must be like. In the >> first place my research indicates that it is somewhere >> between the ordinary "reality" that we are all familiar >> with, and a "dream" meaning a nocturnal dream (albeit one >> involving all five senses). It is apt to be a mixture of >> both and superimposed on it all are transitions in and out >> of "pure heaven" (i.e. in and out of the perfect body). >> Basically, our ordinary Hollywood movies are probably a >> crude caricature of what this experience must be like. >> I imagine that the afterlife begins with an unbelievable >> assent directly into the full-blown splendor of seeing this >> earthly reality through the eyes of "flat subjective >> space-time" a.k.a. seeing reality through the "eyes of God" >> through a perfect body. This initial phase probably last >> for at least 10 or 15 minutes, and in and of itself it >> constitutes complete and absolute salvation to eternal life. >> This is part of a failsafe mechanism because the body has no >> idea how long it is going to last back on Earth once the >> neuronal system goes "flat line". In the case of an atomic >> bomb blast the entire brain could disappear in 1 ns, and one >> nano second dilated by the Frohlich's frequency/neuronal >> frequency ratio works out to about 15 minutes in Heaven. >> This means God has to provide complete salvation to eternal >> life in the first 15 minutes of the afterlife dream. >> Now assuming that you didn't get hit by an atomic bomb >> blast and in fact died during sleep in your bed, the >> afterlife movie will continue with other added attractions. >> There may be "fades" and "zooms" and "cuts" and "dissolves" >> (to use cinematic jargon) in which a "life review" is >> experienced. There may even be a "purgatorial" phase. This >> is doubtlessly organized according to some hierarchy of >> priorities always with the view that it could end at any >> moment because of the earthly condition of the brain >> cytoskeleton after death. >> At any rate, assuming that nothing drastic happens to the >> corpse in the first microsecond after death you would >> continue on in heaven basically in a condition of >> splendorous exaltation for as long as maybe months or even >> years in some cases. If one nano second dilates into 15 >> minutes, then 1 micro second would dilate into 1.7 years. >> which is probably in the ballpark for the average >> run-of-the-mill human death. >> Every wrong that was ever done you will be righted every >> injustice rectified every evil undone. At the same time you >> can plan to pay the price for all of those little vicious >> insults your indulgent overprivileged habits led you into. > > > (Geopelia) > That sounds good, but there is no way of proving it. > > Wasn't Christianity thought to be a religion for slaves in the early days in > Rome? As was Judaism in an earlier time. > This could be considered the same sort of thing, couldn't it? > Something for the poor and downtrodden to hope for after death? > >
From: George Hammond on 3 Jan 2010 12:47
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:37:20 +1300, "Geopelia" <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >"George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >news:b550k55penugum558206bivkv92l4ihn3e(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:57:06 +1300, "Geopelia" >> <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >> >> >>> >>>(Geopelia) >>>But what's the point knowing it [heaven] exists, if we can't come back? >>> >>> >>> >> [Hammond] >> First of all, if there is a heaven there is also a hell. >> And people who are sent to hell will not be ALLOWED to >> leave. Secondly, heaven is basically this same world we >> are in, you will just see it through different eyes and feel >> it through a better body. >> But don't for a moment underestimate how different this >> world would look if you're resurrected body (a.k.a. >> "spiritual body") had a zero growth deficit. Words like; >> splendor, magnificence, grandeur don't even begin to >> describe the experience of "eternal life" which as you >> recall is a "bodily condition" not a "time duration". >> As far as "coming back to this world" I have no doubt >> that should you be elected to go to heaven you will probably >> be making many sorties back to the world you knew. >> In fact, while we're on the subject, it is interesting to >> conjecture just exactly what heaven must be like. In the >> first place my research indicates that it is somewhere >> between the ordinary "reality" that we are all familiar >> with, and a "dream" meaning a nocturnal dream (albeit one >> involving all five senses). It is apt to be a mixture of >> both and superimposed on it all are transitions in and out >> of "pure heaven" (i.e. in and out of the perfect body). >> Basically, our ordinary Hollywood movies are probably a >> crude caricature of what this experience must be like. >> I imagine that the afterlife begins with an unbelievable >> assent directly into the full-blown splendor of seeing this >> earthly reality through the eyes of "flat subjective >> space-time" a.k.a. seeing reality through the "eyes of God" >> through a perfect body. This initial phase probably last >> for at least 10 or 15 minutes, and in and of itself it >> constitutes complete and absolute salvation to eternal life. >> This is part of a failsafe mechanism because the body has no >> idea how long it is going to last back on Earth once the >> neuronal system goes "flat line". In the case of an atomic >> bomb blast the entire brain could disappear in 1 ns, and one >> nano second dilated by the Frohlich's frequency/neuronal >> frequency ratio works out to about 15 minutes in Heaven. >> This means God has to provide complete salvation to eternal >> life in the first 15 minutes of the afterlife dream. >> Now assuming that you didn't get hit by an atomic bomb >> blast and in fact died during sleep in your bed, the >> afterlife movie will continue with other added attractions. >> There may be "fades" and "zooms" and "cuts" and "dissolves" >> (to use cinematic jargon) in which a "life review" is >> experienced. There may even be a "purgatorial" phase. This >> is doubtlessly organized according to some hierarchy of >> priorities always with the view that it could end at any >> moment because of the earthly condition of the brain >> cytoskeleton after death. >> At any rate, assuming that nothing drastic happens to the >> corpse in the first microsecond after death you would >> continue on in heaven basically in a condition of >> splendorous exaltation for as long as maybe months or even >> years in some cases. If one nano second dilates into 15 >> minutes, then 1 micro second would dilate into 1.7 years. >> which is probably in the ballpark for the average >> run-of-the-mill human death. >> Every wrong that was ever done you will be righted every >> injustice rectified every evil undone. At the same time you >> can plan to pay the price for all of those little vicious >> insults your indulgent overprivileged habits led you into. > > >(Geopelia) >That sounds good, but there is no way of proving it. > > [Hammond] Says who; you? The first step is to prove it's "possible". Science has just done that. > > >Wasn't Christianity thought to be a religion for slaves in the early days in >Rome? > > [Hammond] So was Democracy. Now it's the law of the land. What's your point? > > >This could be considered the same sort of thing, couldn't it? >Something for the poor and downtrodden to hope for after death? > > [Hammond] Obviously. What's your point? ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ======================================= |