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From: David Eather on 3 Apr 2010 16:26 On 30/03/2010 3:43 PM, D from BC wrote: > In article<d2v2r59e6n5srro23eq4r33t3g3fc69pbj(a)4ax.com>, > WarmUnderbellyOfAmerica(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says... >> >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:02:57 -0700, D from BC<myrealaddress(a)comic.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Does it 'work' by making people feel happy that by believing in Jesus >>> they avoid being punished in hell forever. >> >> >> I think he was referring more to the behavioral parables. >> >> You ain't real bright, boy. > > > Yikes! I hope not. Some parts of the bible are horrific! > > Like that story of kids making fun of a bald guy and the bald guy has > God send two female bears to maul 42 children. > Kings 2:23-34 Sigh. Most "bible haters" grab the cheapest translation that they can score a point with, do no research and run with there own closed minded opinion, mistaking that for fact. A short education. The bible contains many of the historical books of the Hebrew nation. They are great books because they record a history with warts and all, sometime without any comment on good or bad and sometimes without information to put it in context for people like modern day westerners. Kings 1 an 2 are amongst the historical books (Chronicles is somewhat different as it was written while Israel was in exile to encourage them not to give up - hence some of the warts are knocked of it). The original language of the bible used a vocabulary of about 50000 words, most English language translations use a vocabulary of about 10000 words (due to the simplification of the language in everyday use). Further the most commonly used bible translation used in this kind of misinterpretation in the King James bible written in 1604 - 1611. It suffers from a dated language resulting in many words now used with a different emphasis, meaning or even not at all, translation errors and simply not having the best original texts available for the source material of the translation. The particular error in this case has these problems compounded with simple ignorance about what the situation actually means. The word quoted as "children" is actually "youths" and could be used to describe people aged from 13 years old (considered to now be responsible for their own actions) to 25 years old (mature in a secular context) or even 30 years old (mature for religious purposes such as for priests working in the tabernacle). The meanings and what was happening would completely be clear to the BC audience. Older youths (especially those who were not the first son) often had little to do and like youths now can form gangs that sometimes get up to no good. This is not a gang of 13 year old kids who were still at home learning the family business. The gang was older and bigger than 42 people who were injured or killed. The "bald head" belonged to the prophet Elisha, the prophet of Israel, which is a little hard to put into a modern context. Israel was a theocratic state so perhaps an appropriate equivalent is head of the supreme court. Elisha is being followed and "taunted" by a large gang of people who disrespect/hate what he represents. The word used as "taunt" is not limited to be just verbal abuse. Elisha was in serious danger from mob behaviour and most likely was already being jostled prior to major mod violence. Its not such a mystery or horror. <small snip>
From: David Eather on 3 Apr 2010 16:41 On 4/04/2010 6:26 AM, David Eather wrote: > On 30/03/2010 3:43 PM, D from BC wrote: >> In article<d2v2r59e6n5srro23eq4r33t3g3fc69pbj(a)4ax.com>, >> WarmUnderbellyOfAmerica(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says... >>> >>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:02:57 -0700, D from BC<myrealaddress(a)comic.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Does it 'work' by making people feel happy that by believing in Jesus >>>> they avoid being punished in hell forever. >>> >>> >>> I think he was referring more to the behavioral parables. >>> >>> You ain't real bright, boy. >> >> >> Yikes! I hope not. Some parts of the bible are horrific! >> >> Like that story of kids making fun of a bald guy and the bald guy has >> God send two female bears to maul 42 children. >> Kings 2:23-34 > > Sigh. Most "bible haters" grab the cheapest translation that they can > score a point with, do no research and run with there own closed minded > opinion, mistaking that for fact. > > A short education. > > The bible contains many of the historical books of the Hebrew nation. > They are great books because they record a history with warts and all, > sometime without any comment on good or bad and sometimes without > information to put it in context for people like modern day westerners. > Kings 1 an 2 are amongst the historical books (Chronicles is somewhat > different as it was written while Israel was in exile to encourage them > not to give up - hence some of the warts are knocked of it). > > The original language of the bible used a vocabulary of about 50000 > words, most English language translations use a vocabulary of about > 10000 words (due to the simplification of the language in everyday use). > Further the most commonly used bible translation used in this kind of > misinterpretation in the King James bible written in 1604 - 1611. It > suffers from a dated language resulting in many words now used with a > different emphasis, meaning or even not at all, translation errors and > simply not having the best original texts available for the source > material of the translation. > > The particular error in this case has these problems compounded with > simple ignorance about what the situation actually means. > > The word quoted as "children" is actually "youths" and could be used to > describe people aged from 13 years old (considered to now be responsible > for their own actions) to 25 years old (mature in a secular context) or > even 30 years old (mature for religious purposes such as for priests > working in the tabernacle). > > The meanings and what was happening would completely be clear to the BC > audience. Older youths (especially those who were not the first son) > often had little to do and like youths now can form gangs that sometimes > get up to no good. This is not a gang of 13 year old kids who were still > at home learning the family business. The gang was older and bigger than > 42 people who were injured or killed. > > The "bald head" belonged to the prophet Elisha, the prophet of Israel, > which is a little hard to put into a modern context. Israel was a > theocratic state so perhaps an appropriate equivalent is head of the > supreme court. > > Elisha is being followed and "taunted" by a large gang of people who > disrespect/hate what he represents. The word used as "taunt" is not > limited to be just verbal abuse. Elisha was in serious danger from mob > behaviour and most likely was already being jostled prior to major mod > violence. > > Its not such a mystery or horror. > > > > <small snip> I do want to point out that the interpretation that Elisha was about to be mugged is mine but it is consistent with mob behaviour. A far as the punishment of mauling goes I wonder what would happen to someone who mugged or killed the chief justice of the state of Texas supreme court?
From: John Tserkezis on 3 Apr 2010 19:40 Jon Kirwan wrote: > I was working from two facts. DealExtreme sells the DS1052E > for $404, free shipping to the US. I don't believe they sell > the 1102. The best I've been able to find for the 1102 is a > lot more than $200 above this. So the reality seems to be > more like double the price. I would be very interested to > see a case where the 1102 could be bought at $604, shipped, > for example. If you know of one, I still stand corrected. That's the thing. If DealExtreme does NOT do the 1102, we don't know how it would otherwise be priced. You can't compare the $404 DE price with the more typical $650 or so, and expect a fair comparison on how any other vendor would price the next model up. Or any other product in fact. On the other hand, you could guess, that if typical vendor X is priced n% higher than DE, then you could guess that DE would price the 1102 at n% less. Or so, you get the idea. It's still a guess in any case.
From: Jon Kirwan on 3 Apr 2010 20:53 On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:40:16 +1000, John Tserkezis <jt(a)techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote: >Jon Kirwan wrote: > >> I was working from two facts. DealExtreme sells the DS1052E >> for $404, free shipping to the US. I don't believe they sell >> the 1102. The best I've been able to find for the 1102 is a >> lot more than $200 above this. So the reality seems to be >> more like double the price. I would be very interested to >> see a case where the 1102 could be bought at $604, shipped, >> for example. If you know of one, I still stand corrected. > > That's the thing. If DealExtreme does NOT do the 1102, we don't know >how it would otherwise be priced. No, we don't. But that isn't the point. > You can't compare the $404 DE price with the more typical $650 or so, >and expect a fair comparison on how any other vendor would price the >next model up. Or any other product in fact. > > On the other hand, you could guess, that if typical vendor X is priced >n% higher than DE, then you could guess that DE would price the 1102 at >n% less. Or so, you get the idea. It's still a guess in any case. I can, however, discuss the case of what *I* can purchase if I choose to do so right now. At this point, were I to be making a decision, I would be facing a doubling of price to make the 1102 choice. Or so. That's just the situation I see, is all. I am not forced to insist on the same supplier, because I don't have to choose from the same supplier. Just these products, whereever I may find them. Jon
From: John Tserkezis on 4 Apr 2010 05:55
Jon Kirwan wrote: > I can, however, discuss the case of what *I* can purchase if > I choose to do so right now. At this point, were I to be > making a decision, I would be facing a doubling of price to > make the 1102 choice. Or so. That's just the situation I > see, is all. I am not forced to insist on the same supplier, > because I don't have to choose from the same supplier. Just > these products, whereever I may find them. No, that's an unfair comparison. You're using two entirely different vendors and their very different pricing structures, to compare the same series product. It's like saying vendor A has a blue car for some price, but you don't want a blue car, you want red. Except vendor A doesn't have a red car in stock, though vendor B does, at double the price. By this reasoning, red paint costs double the blue paint. |