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From: Henning on 14 Oct 2009 21:23 "Scott M." <s-mar(a)nospam.nospam> skrev i meddelandet news:%237HNLpSTKHA.220(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Henning" <computer_hero(a)coldmail.com> wrote in message > news:ONlvX4RTKHA.504(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> Sorry, but the only answer I have read is, that I will be a better VB6 >> programmer by comparing VB6 to dotnet. I answered that most likely I >> would be confused, cause the code examples wouldn't compile. > > Well, I'm pretty sure that I did not ever state that you would be a better > programmer if you compared VB 6 to VB .NET. I said that you can > understand a concept better if you have something to contrast it against > and despite the prostests of only 3 or 4 people (hardly "nearly every > skilled VB 6 programmer"), it is not my opinion that this is a proven > learning technique, it's a tried and true fact. If you find it > counter-intuitive, then I accept that, but do know that you are in the > minority. 4 loud people protesting this point does not a majority make. > And, no matter how loud you protest, it doesn't change the fact that this > concept is accepted as an integral part of the learning process. > > Also, I never gave you a .NET code example to try in .NET or vice versa, > so you wouldn't need to worry about being confused about code that doesn't > compile. Well, if not by code, then what do I compare by? > > Given that the two points you attempt to make here are either not what I > said or not what I did, I think it's safe to conclude that you didn't read > or understand what I did say. > >> Would comparing to RB, KB, FB, Delphi, C*, 4TH or assembler also make me >> better? > > Don't know about better, because (again) that's not what I said you'd be. > And, don't know enough about these other languges to be able to comment on > them. But, if there is a concept that is common to all of them (say > memory management), then yes, understanding the different ways memory can > be managed will give you a better understaning of working with it overall, > regardless of the language you are particularly working in. How on earth am I going to implement dotnet memory management in VB6, if that is what we should compare? > > The mere fact that 4 of you have been so loud (and so rude) in opposing > this very simple and widely accepted learning priciple, coupled with what > we've come to learn about these people's feelings about .NET in general, > it becomes obvious that the issue is not really my approach, but my mere > mention of .NET in what some have come to belive is somehow taboo in this > group. The fact is that regardless of the value of the reference, there > are a loud, select few that just will not tolerate any mention of anything > other than VB 6 here and the justifaction for it isn't based on anything > rational, it's just based on their dislike of .NET. It is also a fact that *only* dotnet preachers visit the VB classic group! No sight of any RB, KB, FB, Delphi or whatever language users trying to push their pros and cons to us. > > I mean really. No where in this,or any other thread, have I called anyone > names without being provoked first. There are those loud people here, > that will just come at me with some insult for no reason. > > Rational people don't act this way. Rational people who disagree don't > make up lies as pass them off as fact and attack others. Just a moment now, just show me where I lied or insulted you! > > The facts are that this is how you and the select, loud, FEW others have > acted and you've shown everyone else here that you are not rational > people. Saying that I and a few others are not rational, could easily be seen as an insult! From what I've seen, "everyone else" are just you and maybe a FEW other dotnetters. > > If you are really going to seriously say that analogies and comparisons > aren't valuable when learning something, then you've really just proven > how irrational you are. It's tantamount to exclaiming that 2 + 2 = 22 and > then screaming at someone when they tell you it isn't. I have never said analogies or comparsions aren't valuable! Starting to make things up are you? I said comparing VB6 and dotnet isn't valuable. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Who is exclaiming and who is screaming? Are you about loosing it, or what? Is it irrational that in other languages "2" + "2" = "22"? Just so you don't scream about the "'s. Dim a As String = Str(2) Dim b As String = Str(2) Dim c As String c = a + b Print c will print 22 And for clarity this is *not* dotnet, but some other code. Why are all others posts personal opinions, but not yours? Personal opinions are only facts infront of a mirror. > > > -Scott Is the biggest problem for you that we don't obey to the Holy Grail DotNet? So may we burn in hell, right? /Henning
From: Bill McCarthy on 14 Oct 2009 21:27 Hi Scott, "Scott M." <s-mar(a)nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:#0VyOCRTKHA.220(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Karl E. Peterson" <karl(a)exmvps.org> wrote in message > news:Ox$$n3QTKHA.1372(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Scott M. wrote: >>> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl(a)exmvps.org> wrote ... >>> >>>> What a priss. >>>> So you're gonna go outside, then, and play hide go fnck yourself? >>> >>> Translation: I don't have a valid point to make, so I'll act like a >>> child >>> and call people names. >> >> Almost. I'll act like our former VP, and tell you where to go and what >> "valid point" you ought to "consider" while there. >> >> FOAD, troll. > > Just keep on making my point for me Karl. Thanks. > Don't waste your time with him. His employer seems happy to pay for him to troll here... such a waste of tax payers money.
From: Kevin Provance on 14 Oct 2009 21:37 | Don't waste your time with him. His employer seems happy to pay for him to | troll here... such a waste of tax payers money. Versus the profit MSFT wastes for you to troll here, and on ED? Would you like a complete list of people in my family to email, Bill? At least I can say my family comes from good stock. What about yours? All beggars theifs and crooks exiled to OZ coz no one else on the planet would have them?
From: Bill McCarthy on 14 Oct 2009 21:47 "Henning" <computer_hero(a)coldmail.com> wrote in message news:O2sIYYTTKHA.5052(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>The fact is that regardless of the value of the reference, there are a >>loud, select few that just will not tolerate any mention of anything other >>than VB 6 here and the justifaction for it isn't based on anything >>rational, it's just based on their dislike of .NET. > > It is also a fact that *only* dotnet preachers visit the VB classic group! LOL. Reality is, facts are, people like Williams, Mayayana and Provance who claim they never use .NET regularly troll the dotnet specific forums. And reality is Peterson quite often use to brag how he would troll the Delphi forums. And what you still fail to understand is that many of the people who use VB ..NET also used and still use VB6. From time to time I find myself working with VB6 applications that would work so much better if only the people writing them had stopped and looked at VB.NET: that is if only they had considered bringing their code forward. It's funny how those that complain the most about the lack of compatibility between VB6 and VB .NET here are also those that actively go out of their way to make that more damaging.
From: Bill McCarthy on 14 Oct 2009 21:50
Hi Tom, "Tom Shelton" <tom_shelton(a)comcastXXXXXXX.net> wrote in message news:ukF6UZ9RKHA.3388(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > On 2009-10-08, Tom Shelton <tom_shelton(a)comcastXXXXXXX.net> wrote: >> On 2009-10-08, Bill McCarthy <bill(a)localhost.com> wrote: >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> "Tom Shelton" <tom_shelton(a)comcastXXXXXXX.net> wrote in message >>> news:OUaDm47RKHA.1236(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> On 2009-10-08, Bill McCarthy <bill(a)localhost.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> GoSub does have some advantages but it does also produce hard to >>>>> maintain >>>>> spaghetti code. >>>> >>>> I never saw anything wrong with gosub as a language structure, but >>>> since I >>>> came to the VB party in version 4 when it was already documented as >>>> being >>>> a >>>> huge perfromance hit to use - I never got in the habbit of using it in >>>> VB... >>>> >>> >>> Right it was really from an era long ago and had long been abandoned >>> without >>> replacement ;) >>> >>> >>>> Though, I used it quite frequently in my first formal programming job - >>>> since >>>> for the first year, I spend part of my time dealing with code written >>>> in a >>>> form of basic called IMS/BASIC - it was port of buisness basic to unix >>>> and >>>> unix like systems :) >>>> >>> >>> Not familiar with it. Did it have formal structures like UDT's or >>> classes ? >>> > > Dang - forgot to answer this. No classes, but it did have UDT's. This > was a > very old dialect of basic :) > Ah as I suspected. Without that you are really stuck to using the variable stack, so GoSub allows you to keep variables in scope without having to pass each one of them. |