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From: Son of a Sea Cook on 29 Jun 2010 13:32 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:13:29 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Winston wrote: >> On 6/29/2010 12:47 AM, Nial Stewart wrote: >> > >[...] > >> (WRT 'commodity parts':) >>>> For the right money, that 12 month commodity lead time would >>>> magically shrink to nearly nothing. >>>> It's the second oldest game in the world. >>> >>> I'm not sure, the Altera FAE was genuinely frustrated. He said >>> the only thing saving their bacon is that Xilinx are in nearly >>> the same position. >> >> I've been out of the game for a long time but I still wonder: >> Is his response 'code' for "re-design using Lattice, Actel, >> Cypress, Quicklogic, Silicon Blue, Achronix, etc."? >> > >The real message is: Try your darndest to design it with discretes, >simple logic chips, maybe 80C51 and whatever else is needed. No more >FPGA. Which is what I generally do, then there are half a dozen sources >and never a shortage :-) > >I know this sounds kind of Luddite but it has served my clients quite well. The 80C51 is a bad mamma jamma!
From: Winston on 29 Jun 2010 13:38 On 6/29/2010 10:13 AM, Joerg wrote: > Winston wrote: >> On 6/29/2010 12:47 AM, Nial Stewart wrote: >> > > [...] > >> (WRT 'commodity parts':) >>>> For the right money, that 12 month commodity lead time would >>>> magically shrink to nearly nothing. >>>> It's the second oldest game in the world. >>> >>> I'm not sure, the Altera FAE was genuinely frustrated. He said >>> the only thing saving their bacon is that Xilinx are in nearly >>> the same position. >> >> I've been out of the game for a long time but I still wonder: >> Is his response 'code' for "re-design using Lattice, Actel, >> Cypress, Quicklogic, Silicon Blue, Achronix, etc."? >> > > The real message is: Try your darndest to design it with discretes, > simple logic chips, maybe 80C51 and whatever else is needed. No more > FPGA. Which is what I generally do, then there are half a dozen sources > and never a shortage :-) > > I know this sounds kind of Luddite but it has served my clients quite well. You could even go a little crazy and put a lot of the glue logic in PALs, PLDs. They must be 'commodity' devices by now, I would think. --Winston
From: Joerg on 29 Jun 2010 13:40 Son of a Sea Cook wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:13:29 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Winston wrote: >>> On 6/29/2010 12:47 AM, Nial Stewart wrote: >>> >> [...] >> >>> (WRT 'commodity parts':) >>>>> For the right money, that 12 month commodity lead time would >>>>> magically shrink to nearly nothing. >>>>> It's the second oldest game in the world. >>>> I'm not sure, the Altera FAE was genuinely frustrated. He said >>>> the only thing saving their bacon is that Xilinx are in nearly >>>> the same position. >>> I've been out of the game for a long time but I still wonder: >>> Is his response 'code' for "re-design using Lattice, Actel, >>> Cypress, Quicklogic, Silicon Blue, Achronix, etc."? >>> >> The real message is: Try your darndest to design it with discretes, >> simple logic chips, maybe 80C51 and whatever else is needed. No more >> FPGA. Which is what I generally do, then there are half a dozen sources >> and never a shortage :-) >> >> I know this sounds kind of Luddite but it has served my clients quite well. > > > The 80C51 is a bad mamma jamma! My clients usually only care about three things: a. That it works. b. Unfettered availability for the next decade or so. c. Ability to find a programmer in every village. Check, check, and check :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 29 Jun 2010 13:42 Winston wrote: > On 6/29/2010 10:13 AM, Joerg wrote: >> Winston wrote: >>> On 6/29/2010 12:47 AM, Nial Stewart wrote: >>> >> >> [...] >> >>> (WRT 'commodity parts':) >>>>> For the right money, that 12 month commodity lead time would >>>>> magically shrink to nearly nothing. >>>>> It's the second oldest game in the world. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure, the Altera FAE was genuinely frustrated. He said >>>> the only thing saving their bacon is that Xilinx are in nearly >>>> the same position. >>> >>> I've been out of the game for a long time but I still wonder: >>> Is his response 'code' for "re-design using Lattice, Actel, >>> Cypress, Quicklogic, Silicon Blue, Achronix, etc."? >>> >> >> The real message is: Try your darndest to design it with discretes, >> simple logic chips, maybe 80C51 and whatever else is needed. No more >> FPGA. Which is what I generally do, then there are half a dozen sources >> and never a shortage :-) >> >> I know this sounds kind of Luddite but it has served my clients quite >> well. > > > You could even go a little crazy and put a lot of the glue logic > in PALs, PLDs. They must be 'commodity' devices by now, I would > think. > I don't trust them much. At first they were milliamp guzzlers and many still are. Except maybe for Coolrunner and similar. Then we had situations where legacy PALs/GALs became unobtanium. This never happened with regular logic chips as long as you avoided the most obscure ones. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Spehro Pefhany on 29 Jun 2010 13:47
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:13:29 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Winston wrote: >> On 6/29/2010 12:47 AM, Nial Stewart wrote: >> > >[...] > >> (WRT 'commodity parts':) >>>> For the right money, that 12 month commodity lead time would >>>> magically shrink to nearly nothing. >>>> It's the second oldest game in the world. >>> >>> I'm not sure, the Altera FAE was genuinely frustrated. He said >>> the only thing saving their bacon is that Xilinx are in nearly >>> the same position. >> >> I've been out of the game for a long time but I still wonder: >> Is his response 'code' for "re-design using Lattice, Actel, >> Cypress, Quicklogic, Silicon Blue, Achronix, etc."? >> > >The real message is: Try your darndest to design it with discretes, >simple logic chips, maybe 80C51 and whatever else is needed. No more >FPGA. Which is what I generally do, then there are half a dozen sources >and never a shortage :-) There might not be a market for something that can't do high performance signal processing. |