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From: krw on 4 Jul 2010 20:33 On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 17:28:58 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Joe G (Home) wrote: >> "Nial Stewart" <nial*REMOVE_THIS*@nialstewartdevelopments.co.uk> wrote in >> message news:88k12sFo0kU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>> I should have included a smiley, for I was attempting >>>> to suggest that any 'component shortage' has got to >>>> be a product of imagination rather than real. >>> >>> In 15 years using Altera devices I've never had any problems obtaining >>> them. >>> >>> I've been kitting up for a prototype build and my FAE has had to pull >>> a lot of strings to get me 4 Stratix's that were fairly freely available >>> when the project started 6 months ago. It'll be October before I see any >>> more. >>> >>> I also have an Analog Devices ADC designed in which was available from >>> Digikey and a couple of other distributors four months ago but I've >>> had to get Analog customer services to trawl their system to get me >>> 4 for debug. Again it's November before these will be available. >>> >>> The Altera FAE said that 15 smaller fabs closed last year so all the >>> big ones are working at more than capacity(?). Altera use TSMC which is >>> fully booked. They announced the Cyclone IV family in October but >>> so far only one device is out, the rest were due pretty quickly after >>> that but are now scheduled for the Autumn (because they can't build >>> them). >>> >>> Shortages are real IMHO. >>> >>> >>> Nial >> >> My point is that you have a good relationship with your supplier and >> supplier FAE. >> >> Some engineers on this thread... won't give the suppliers the time of >> day... until they need them for >> supply or technical support. >> > >And give the FAEs feedback in a friendly way. I discover bugs on a >regular basis. Then the style would be "Your so-and-so opamp has the >following issue ..." instead of "Your so-and-so opamp really sucks" :-) I find the sales types to be very useful resources. Sure, I probably spend a half-hour a week with the various sales people and FAEs, but I can also use them to search for components and information. Playing one against another (in a professional manner, of course) is a good way to get the pricing we want, as well. Then there's the freebie parts (and lunches ;-). Most of all, I don't see any reason to be rude to them.
From: bob haller on 5 Jul 2010 18:31 On Jul 4, 8:33 pm, "k...(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 17:28:58 -0700, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >Joe G (Home) wrote: > >> "Nial Stewart" <nial*REMOVE_TH...(a)nialstewartdevelopments.co.uk> wrote in > >> messagenews:88k12sFo0kU1(a)mid.individual.net... > >>>> I should have included a smiley, for I was attempting > >>>> to suggest that any 'component shortage' has got to > >>>> be a product of imagination rather than real. > > >>> In 15 years using Altera devices I've never had any problems obtaining > >>> them. > > >>> I've been kitting up for a prototype build and my FAE has had to pull > >>> a lot of strings to get me 4 Stratix's that were fairly freely available > >>> when the project started 6 months ago. It'll be October before I see any > >>> more. > > >>> I also have an Analog Devices ADC designed in which was available from > >>> Digikey and a couple of other distributors four months ago but I've > >>> had to get Analog customer services to trawl their system to get me > >>> 4 for debug. Again it's November before these will be available. > > >>> The Altera FAE said that 15 smaller fabs closed last year so all the > >>> big ones are working at more than capacity(?). Altera use TSMC which is > >>> fully booked. They announced the Cyclone IV family in October but > >>> so far only one device is out, the rest were due pretty quickly after > >>> that but are now scheduled for the Autumn (because they can't build > >>> them). > > >>> Shortages are real IMHO. > > >>> Nial > > >> My point is that you have a good relationship with your supplier and > >> supplier FAE. > > >> Some engineers on this thread... won't give the suppliers the time of > >> day... until they need them for > >> supply or technical support. > > >And give the FAEs feedback in a friendly way. I discover bugs on a > >regular basis. Then the style would be "Your so-and-so opamp has the > >following issue ..." instead of "Your so-and-so opamp really sucks" :-) > > I find the sales types to be very useful resources. Sure, I probably spend a > half-hour a week with the various sales people and FAEs, but I can also use > them to search for components and information. Playing one against another > (in a professional manner, of course) is a good way to get the pricing we > want, as well. Then there's the freebie parts (and lunches ;-). > > Most of all, I don't see any reason to be rude to them.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - No you get to be very rude on the net, in many places...... besides here you admit to wasting sales peoples time, and their pay is likely at least partially commision. so you waste their time, run the price down and cost the sales people money. congrats you a excellent example of a bad person........
From: krw on 5 Jul 2010 18:52
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 15:31:57 -0700 (PDT), bob haller <hallerb(a)aol.com> wrote: >On Jul 4, 8:33�pm, "k...(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> >wrote: >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 17:28:58 -0700, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >Joe G (Home) wrote: >> >> "Nial Stewart" <nial*REMOVE_TH...(a)nialstewartdevelopments.co.uk> wrote in >> >> messagenews:88k12sFo0kU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >>>> I should have included a smiley, for I was attempting >> >>>> to suggest that any 'component shortage' has got to >> >>>> be a product of imagination rather than real. >> >> >>> In 15 years using Altera devices I've never had any problems obtaining >> >>> them. >> >> >>> I've been kitting up for a prototype build and my FAE has had to pull >> >>> a lot of strings to get me 4 Stratix's that were fairly freely available >> >>> when the project started 6 months ago. It'll be October before I see any >> >>> more. >> >> >>> I also have an Analog Devices ADC designed in which was available from >> >>> Digikey and a couple of other distributors four months ago but I've >> >>> had to get Analog customer services to trawl their system to get me >> >>> 4 for debug. Again it's November before these will be available. >> >> >>> The Altera FAE said that 15 smaller fabs closed last year so all the >> >>> big ones are working at more than capacity(?). Altera use TSMC which is >> >>> fully booked. They announced the Cyclone IV family in October but >> >>> so far only one device is out, the rest were due pretty quickly after >> >>> that but are now scheduled for the Autumn (because they can't build >> >>> them). >> >> >>> Shortages are real IMHO. >> >> >>> Nial >> >> >> My point is �that you have a good relationship with your supplier and >> >> supplier FAE. >> >> >> Some engineers on this thread... �won't give the suppliers the time of >> >> day... until they need them for >> >> supply or technical support. >> >> >And give the FAEs feedback in a friendly way. I discover bugs on a >> >regular basis. Then the style would be "Your so-and-so opamp has the >> >following issue ..." instead of "Your so-and-so opamp really sucks" :-) >> >> I find the sales types to be very useful resources. �Sure, I probably spend a >> half-hour a week with the various sales people and FAEs, but I can also use >> them to search for components and information. �Playing one against another >> (in a professional manner, of course) is a good way to get the pricing we >> want, as well. �Then there's the freebie parts (and lunches ;-). >> >> Most of all, I don't see any reason to be rude to them.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >No you get to be very rude on the net, in many places...... > >besides here you admit to wasting sales peoples time, and their pay is >likely at least partially commision. > >so you waste their time, run the price down and cost the sales people >money. > >congrats you a excellent example of a bad person........ Never mind the stalker. ...just another leftist loser who can't stand being wrong. ...kinda like DimBulb. |