Corporate creep in Linux? (mini-rantette)
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From: Jim Diamond on 13 Sep 2009 12:34 On 2009-09-12 at 15:30 ADT, Dan C <youmustbejoking(a)lan.invalid> wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:42:41 -0700, wexfordpress wrote: >> 4. Reconfigure the terminal button to call Konsole. Bookmarks and choice >> of color scheme. > "Bookmarks" in a terminal emulator? Huh? By the way, Xfce's Terminal > certainly has color scheme choices, right there in the menus. Tabs, too. Too bad it's such a piece of bloatware... here is an mrxvt that has been open a day and a Terminal open for a few seconds, both with only one tab open. % ps uaxw | egrep 'ermina|rxvt|RSS' USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND zsd 3621 0.0 0.0 5616 1800 ? S Sep11 0:01 mrxvt -ls -sl 2000 -in Main tty -name main-tty-xterm zsd 29810 5.6 1.0 128408 20976 pts/1 S 13:28 0:00 /usr/bin/Terminal Admittedly, the RSS is a bit less than 12 times as large for Terminal. I wonder what they are doing to use up all that memory. Ho hum... (Yes, I realize that some of you are looking for ways to use up the 8 GB of memory on your computer, but such a horrendous waste of resources still irks me.) Jim
From: Dan C on 13 Sep 2009 15:57 On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:34:15 -0300, Jim Diamond wrote: >> "Bookmarks" in a terminal emulator? Huh? By the way, Xfce's Terminal >> certainly has color scheme choices, right there in the menus. Tabs, >> too. > Too bad it's such a piece of bloatware... here is an mrxvt that has been > open a day and a Terminal open for a few seconds, both with only one tab > open. > > % ps uaxw | egrep 'ermina|rxvt|RSS' > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND > zsd 3621 0.0 0.0 5616 1800 ? S Sep11 0:01 mrxvt > -ls -sl 2000 -in Main tty -name main-tty-xterm zsd 29810 5.6 1.0 > 128408 20976 pts/1 S 13:28 0:00 /usr/bin/Terminal > > Admittedly, the RSS is a bit less than 12 times as large for Terminal. > I wonder what they are doing to use up all that memory. What I wonder is why you have such different numbers than what I get: danc(a)moria:~$ ps uaxw | egrep 'erminal|rxvt|RSS' USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND danc 3201 1.0 0.5 27044 18832 tty1 S 14:54 0:00 /usr/bin/terminal danc 3220 0.1 0.0 3860 1792 pts/0 S 14:55 0:00 rxvt danc 3230 0.0 0.0 2124 648 pts/0 S+ 14:55 0:00 egrep erminal|rxvt|RSS I'm running Xfce on Slack 13. > (Yes, I realize that some of you are looking for ways to use up the 8 GB > of memory on your computer, but such a horrendous waste of resources > still irks me.) It appears to be only that wasteful on *your* system... -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". "Bother!" said Pooh, as he garotted another passing Liberal. Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
From: Mike Jones on 13 Sep 2009 17:30 Responding to Jim Diamond: > On 2009-09-12 at 15:30 ADT, Dan C <youmustbejoking(a)lan.invalid> wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:42:41 -0700, wexfordpress wrote: > >>> 4. Reconfigure the terminal button to call Konsole. Bookmarks and >>> choice of color scheme. > >> "Bookmarks" in a terminal emulator? Huh? By the way, Xfce's Terminal >> certainly has color scheme choices, right there in the menus. Tabs, >> too. > > Too bad it's such a piece of bloatware... here is an mrxvt that has been > open a day and a Terminal open for a few seconds, both with only one tab > open. > > % ps uaxw | egrep 'ermina|rxvt|RSS' > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND > zsd 3621 0.0 0.0 5616 1800 ? S Sep11 0:01 mrxvt > -ls -sl 2000 -in Main tty -name main-tty-xterm zsd 29810 5.6 1.0 > 128408 20976 pts/1 S 13:28 0:00 /usr/bin/Terminal > > Admittedly, the RSS is a bit less than 12 times as large for Terminal. > I wonder what they are doing to use up all that memory. > > Ho hum... > > (Yes, I realize that some of you are looking for ways to use up the 8 GB > of memory on your computer, but such a horrendous waste of resources > still irks me.) > > Jim I went to the website of the developers of "terminal" a short while back, and they seem quite proud to have been able to create a variation on the MRXVT concept that used more resources than whole computers used to. What happened to smaller, lighter, faster? -- *===( http://www.400monkeys.com/God/ *===( http://principiadiscordia.com/ *===( http://www.slackware.com/
From: Eef Hartman on 14 Sep 2009 03:53 Glyn Millington wrote: > Well its a long time since I did it, but I think I recall that if you > switch off udev then the /dev/ gets populated in the good old fashoined > way. IF you installed the devs package BEFORE going over to udev, i.e. at first install (while still running on the ramdisk). Otherwise /dev will be completely empty! -- Eef Hartman, Delft University of Technology, dept. SSC/ICT
From: Jim Diamond on 14 Sep 2009 13:23
On 2009-09-13 at 16:57 ADT, Dan C <youmustbejoking(a)lan.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:34:15 -0300, Jim Diamond wrote: > >>> "Bookmarks" in a terminal emulator? Huh? By the way, Xfce's Terminal >>> certainly has color scheme choices, right there in the menus. Tabs, >>> too. > >> Too bad it's such a piece of bloatware... here is an mrxvt that has been >> open a day and a Terminal open for a few seconds, both with only one tab >> open. >> >> % ps uaxw | egrep 'ermina|rxvt|RSS' >> USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND >> zsd 3621 0.0 0.0 5616 1800 ? S Sep11 0:01 mrxvt >> zsd 29810 5.6 1.0 128408 20976 pts/1 S 13:28 0:00 /usr/bin/Terminal >> Admittedly, the RSS is a bit less than 12 times as large for >> Terminal. I wonder what they are doing to use up all that memory. > > What I wonder is why you have such different numbers than what I get: > danc(a)moria:~$ ps uaxw | egrep 'erminal|rxvt|RSS' > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND > danc 3201 1.0 0.5 27044 18832 tty1 S 14:54 0:00 /usr/bin/terminal > danc 3220 0.1 0.0 3860 1792 pts/0 S 14:55 0:00 rxvt > danc 3230 0.0 0.0 2124 648 pts/0 S+ 14:55 0:00 egrep erminal|rxvt|RSS > > I'm running Xfce on Slack 13. I'm using fvwm2 on Slack64-13. Your question about the difference is good. Maybe a 64-bit vs. 32-bit thing?? Anyone else still reading this thread that care to chime in with their numbers? While the VSS numbers are different in magnitude, your "terminal" is still using over 10 times the memory of your rxvt, and not much less than Terminal is using on my system. >> (Yes, I realize that some of you are looking for ways to use up the 8 GB >> of memory on your computer, but such a horrendous waste of resources >> still irks me.) > It appears to be only that wasteful on *your* system... That's a rather bold statement to make... it could be only *your* system that has numbers like yours :-) Anyone else? Jim |