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From: rich on 3 Aug 2007 06:03 On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:50:59 +0000, Achim Nolcken Lohse wrote: > On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:05:17 GMT, rich <rich(a)nohome.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:43:04 +0000, Achim Nolcken Lohse wrote: >> >>> I've got 3 LG Super-Multi DVD burners, all of which claim to support >>> DVD-RAM. However, the bundled software doesn't appear to work with the >>> later models, and the only downloadable drivers I've found are >>> propriatary BHA and Panasonic ones, that are described as working only >>> with specifice models or updateably only to original retail software. >>> >>> I'd like to be able to use DVD-RAM as a removable hard disk under >>> Windows 98, Win2000, and possibly Linux, and am looking for freeware >>> that provides that functionality. >>> <snip> > > Would like to, but no format dialogue comes up when accessing the > DVD-RAM disk. My appologies, completely skipped over the "for use in Windows 98 bit" Pre-XP is a problem. No format AFAIK I have just done a quick try with the Dell drivers (see below) on a Win98 virtual machine and they install OK. Would not read the DVD-RAM as it came from the manufacturer (UDF2) but would format it for packet writing. Sonic puts its format dialog in the usual 'My Computer' then 'right click on drive icon' location. The quick format only took a couple of seconds so I suspect it is just writing a TOC or something. Works fine. But. Linux will read the disk when mounted as removable media but will not write. It will write when mounted as a DVD-RAM but the Sonic copied files are now invisible. Reverse is true when going back to Win98. Dell drivers here: http://www.argentuma.com/backup/software/dla.html >> <snip> >>If you need to format the DVD-RAM in linux >>Put a DVD-RAM in the drive >> >>~$ su (to root, but may not be necessary) >>~$ mke2fs /dev/hdc (if your drive device is /dev/hdc, say) > > Thanks, don't have time to try this tonight, but will try to give it a > shot within the next few days. Does this format the disk to Fat32? No. Formats to linux ext2 -- rich
From: Achim Nolcken Lohse on 4 Aug 2007 01:54 On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:03:09 GMT, rich <rich(a)nohome.com> wrote: .... > >I have just done a quick try with the Dell drivers (see below) on a Win98 >virtual machine and they install OK. Would not read the DVD-RAM as it came >from the manufacturer (UDF2) but would format it for packet writing. Sonic >puts its format dialog in the usual 'My Computer' then 'right click on >drive icon' location. The quick format only took a couple of seconds so I >suspect it is just writing a TOC or something. Thanks. Have downloaded the Dell DLA driver and installed it. The install seemed to hit a snag when it detected Nero Express. It announced Nero is incompatible and must be uninstalled (interesting, because with my previous BHA software I found that the BHA DVD drivers would work fully only when Nero was installed!). So I gave the installer the go-ahead to dump Nero, and then it couldn't find it and demanded that I insert the Nero CD! I couldn't find Nero either with the browser (I know it's there because I used it just this week), and in the end, the Dell drivers installed anyway. When I looked at the drive, the Format option appeared, offering both Quick and Full versions, which I find confusing, as the documentation for the driver says very clearly that rewriteable DVD disks MUST be Full Formatted before they can be used. So I chose the full format, and Windows says it will take 75 minutes. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.... > >Works fine. But. > >Linux will read the disk when mounted as removable media but will not >write. It will write when mounted as a DVD-RAM but the Sonic copied files >are now invisible. Reverse is true when going back to Win98. Thanks for the warning. At the moment I'm still wedded to MS. My most important files require it. But it's nice to know I'll be able to access them under Linux if Windows dies on me. Does Linux write to DVD-RAM in hard drive fashion too (ie. files can be copied and delected individually)? The commercial BHA software (B's Clip) I've used previously with my DVD-RW disks won't allow me to copy files to existing folders or delete individual files. I can only add to the disk or erase the whole thing. And the software was so clunky that I never even tried the separate DVD-RAM drivers. That's how I happen to have a shrink-wrapped 2X DVD-RAM disk. It came with my first DVD burner, bought four or five years ago. > >Dell drivers here: >http://www.argentuma.com/backup/software/dla.html > >>> ><snip> >>>If you need to format the DVD-RAM in linux >>>Put a DVD-RAM in the drive >>> >>>~$ su (to root, but may not be necessary) >>>~$ mke2fs /dev/hdc (if your drive device is /dev/hdc, say) >> >> Thanks, don't have time to try this tonight, but will try to give it a >> shot within the next few days. Does this format the disk to Fat32? > >No. Formats to linux ext2 Ah, choices.... -- Achim _____/) axethetax
From: rich on 4 Aug 2007 04:12 On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:54:10 +0000, Achim Nolcken Lohse wrote: > On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:03:09 GMT, rich <rich(a)nohome.com> wrote: > > ... >> >>I have just done a quick try with the Dell drivers (see below) on a Win98 >>virtual machine and they install OK. Would not read the DVD-RAM as it came <snip> > Thanks. Have downloaded the Dell DLA driver and installed it. The > install seemed to hit a snag when it detected Nero Express. <snip> > because I used it just this week), and in the end, the Dell drivers > installed anyway. > > When I looked at the drive, the Format option appeared, offering both > Quick and Full versions, which I find confusing, as the documentation > for the driver says very clearly that rewriteable DVD disks MUST be > Full Formatted before they can be used. > > So I chose the full format, and Windows says it will take 75 minutes. > I'm keeping my fingers crossed.... I used the quick format because the Panasonic DVD-RAM disks are pre-formatted to UDF2. For some reason (age?) sonic could not use them but a quick format did the trick. Literally took seconds. As a note, previous disks I formatted FAT32 in WinXP took about 40 minutes. >> >>Works fine. But. >> >>Linux will read the disk when mounted as removable media but will not >>write. It will write when mounted as a DVD-RAM but the Sonic copied >>files are now invisible. Reverse is true when going back to Win98. > > Thanks for the warning. At the moment I'm still wedded to MS. My most > important files require it. But it's nice to know I'll be able to access > them under Linux if Windows dies on me. > > Does Linux write to DVD-RAM in hard drive fashion too (ie. files can be > copied and delected individually)? > Yes, Definitely for the FAT32 disks. I am still coming to grips with UDF. My Mepis 6.5 installation 'sees' the sonic copied files under the '/media/cdrom' (ie removable devices) mount point and will copy the files to other linux partitions. However no writes or deletes permitted. Same disk, same drive but using the '/mnt/dvd' mount point the sonic files are invisable but there is full read/write/delete. Strange. Perhaps some linux guru can explain. There are some UDF tools in the Mepis/Ubuntu repositry which I will get and play with. <snip> -- rich
From: rich on 4 Aug 2007 08:23 On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 08:12:00 +0000, rich wrote: > On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:54:10 +0000, Achim Nolcken Lohse wrote: > >> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:03:09 GMT, rich <rich(a)nohome.com> wrote: >> < snipped a lot > >> >> Does Linux write to DVD-RAM in hard drive fashion too (ie. files can be >> copied and delected individually)? >> > Yes, Definitely for the FAT32 disks. I am still coming to grips with UDF. > My Mepis 6.5 installation 'sees' the sonic copied files under the > '/media/cdrom' (ie removable devices) mount point and will copy the files > to other linux partitions. However no writes or deletes permitted. Same > disk, same drive but using the '/mnt/dvd' mount point the sonic files are > invisable but there is full read/write/delete. Strange. Perhaps some linux > guru can explain. > > There are some UDF tools in the Mepis/Ubuntu repositry which I will get > and play with. > Just a postscript. Using some old instructions in the mepis documentation I enabled packet reading in linux and can read/write/erase the files written to the DVD-RAM by the Sonic Driver in Win98. Works the other way as well, writes by linux I can read/erase in Win98. During a hunt around for linux info on packet writing came across this which is interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_Letter_Access see the para in the middle about DVD-RAM and pre-win2000. The link to 'DVD Write Now' at the bottom of the page looked interesting but unfortunately this is only good for NT. Never had this trouble with DOS 3.3 -- rich
From: Achim Nolcken Lohse on 4 Aug 2007 15:46 On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:23:17 GMT, rich <rich(a)nohome.com> wrote: .... >Just a postscript. > >Using some old instructions in the mepis documentation I enabled packet >reading in linux and can read/write/erase the files written to the DVD-RAM >by the Sonic Driver in Win98. Works the other way as well, writes by >linux I can read/erase in Win98. Great! Where can I find those instructions? I've got both the Mepis 6.5 LiveCD, and the Antix LiveCD version of Mepis 6.5. Unfortunately, the only Linux I've got installed right now is Puppy 2.17, and I'm nowhere near understanding how you add any software modules to that, unless it happens to be available in one of Puppy's special installation packages. What's worse, Puppy's default mount utility doesn't work at all on either of my two systems, so I'm completely dependent on the backup utility, which is flakey. But maybe I'll get lucky and it will recognize and read the DVD-RAM disk. > >During a hunt around for linux info on packet writing came across this >which is interesting. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_Letter_Access > >see the para in the middle about DVD-RAM and pre-win2000. >The link to 'DVD Write Now' at the bottom of the page looked interesting >but unfortunately this is only good for NT. Thanks. I've saved that page, and followed up all the links. The WriteNow stuff seems pretty risky for beginners, judging by all the warnings on the page. So it's not very tempting for me. OTOH, the various standard DLA versions are a bit of a challenge. The version I installed yesterday is the Dell variant of 4.95. After reading the Wikkipedia page, and following the links, I find that there's also a Dell version of the current DLA 5.2, and Lenovo offers builds 9 and 9a of ver. 5.2, plus there's the Roxio retail version for $20 (for which I couldn't find any version number or history). BTW - Dell's v. 4.95 seems to be working fine, at least on the one 2X Maxell DVD-RAM disk I've tried. I'll know in a couple of days whether it also works on the Verbatim 5X disks I've ordered. What's not clear to me is: Does having Nero installed risk corrupting the DLA installation somehow? What, if any, are the benefits of uninstalling Dell's DLA 4.95 and installing the later version 5.2? What, if any, are the differences between the two Lenova 5.2 versions and Dell's? -- Achim _____/) axethetax
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