From: Achim Nolcken Lohse on
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:23:17 GMT, rich <rich(a)nohome.com> wrote:

....
>
>Using some old instructions in the mepis documentation I enabled packet
>reading in linux and can read/write/erase the files written to the DVD-RAM
>by the Sonic Driver in Win98. Works the other way as well, writes by
>linux I can read/erase in Win98.
>
Have now tried reading and writing to the DVD-RAM disk with Puppy
Linux 2.17, Antix Mepis, and Simply Mepis 6.5.

Puppy's MUT mount utility (the only one that works at all on my
systems) shows the disk as empty.

I also tried running Grafburn 0.10.1 and tkdvd 4.0.3 with the same
results. The latter showed 0 Bytes used and 4.377GB free.

Antix wouldn't mount the disk at all from the desktop.

Simply Mepis 6.5 was able to read the disk and loaded Showfoto to
display some images I selected. But it wouldn't delete anything or
copy anything to the disk.
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From: rich on
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:46:38 +0000, Achim Nolcken Lohse wrote:

> On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:23:17 GMT, rich <rich(a)nohome.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>>Just a postscript.
>>
>>Using some old instructions in the mepis documentation I enabled packet
>>reading in linux and can read/write/erase the files written to the DVD-RAM
>>by the Sonic Driver in Win98. Works the other way as well, writes by
>>linux I can read/erase in Win98.
>
> Great!
>
> Where can I find those instructions? I've got both the Mepis 6.5
> LiveCD, and the Antix LiveCD version of Mepis 6.5.

The instructions are here:

http://www.mepis.org/node/5612

>
> Unfortunately, the only Linux I've got installed right now is Puppy
> 2.17, and I'm nowhere near understanding how you add any software
> modules to that, unless it happens to be available in one of Puppy's
> special installation packages. What's worse, Puppy's default mount
> utility doesn't work at all on either of my two systems, so I'm
> completely dependent on the backup utility, which is flakey. But maybe
> I'll get lucky and it will recognize and read the DVD-RAM disk.
>

As you have already found, you are very limited if using a 'live cd' of
any description. Really you need to install to hdd which opens up (for
mepis anyway) a whole load of software/utilities available on line from a
repository. In this case I grabbed the UDFtools package.


>>
>>During a hunt around for linux info on packet writing came across this
>>which is interesting.
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_Letter_Access
>>
>>see the para in the middle about DVD-RAM and pre-win2000.
>>The link to 'DVD Write Now' at the bottom of the page looked interesting
>>but unfortunately this is only good for NT.
>
> Thanks. I've saved that page, and followed up all the links. The
> WriteNow stuff seems pretty risky for beginners, judging by all the
> warnings on the page. So it's not very tempting for me.
>
> OTOH, the various standard DLA versions are a bit of a challenge. The
> version I installed yesterday is the Dell variant of 4.95. After
> reading the Wikkipedia page, and following the links, I find that
> there's also a Dell version of the current DLA 5.2, and Lenovo offers
> builds 9 and 9a of ver. 5.2, plus there's the Roxio retail version for
> $20 (for which I couldn't find any version number or history).
>
> BTW - Dell's v. 4.95 seems to be working fine, at least on the one 2X
> Maxell DVD-RAM disk I've tried. I'll know in a couple of days whether
> it also works on the Verbatim 5X disks I've ordered. What's not clear
> to me is:
>
> Does having Nero installed risk corrupting the DLA installation
> somehow?

Most of the CD burning software I use(d) tends to be bundled with
hardware, however going back 5 or 6 years I started with the Adaptec,
later Roxio, driver. Then along came Nero InCD which would not coexist
with Adaptec and I dare say nothing has changed. I use a Dell-Sonic driver
now because I had nothing but trouble with InCD.
Graduated to a Mt-Rainier enabled drive but truthfully packet writing is
flakey at the best. I dont normally use DVD-RAM in packet writing mode
but for me this has been a worthwile exercise - learnt a few new things.
From experience none of the 'brands' are compatible.
>
> What, if any, are the benefits of uninstalling Dell's DLA 4.95 and
> installing the later version 5.2?

don't know, generally, but not always newer versions are
improvments.(W. Gates take note)
>
> What, if any, are the differences between the two Lenova 5.2 versions
> and Dell's?

don't know the current position, AFAIK the earlier versions were identical.


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rich

From: Achim Nolcken Lohse on
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:02:00 GMT, rich <rich(a)nohome.com> wrote:

....
>>>
>>>Using some old instructions in the mepis documentation I enabled packet
>>>reading in linux and can read/write/erase the files written to the DVD-RAM
>>>by the Sonic Driver in Win98. Works the other way as well, writes by
>>>linux I can read/erase in Win98.
>>
>> Great!
>>
>> Where can I find those instructions? I've got both the Mepis 6.5
>> LiveCD, and the Antix LiveCD version of Mepis 6.5.
>
>The instructions are here:
>
>http://www.mepis.org/node/5612
>

Thanks. I've saved them. Look a bit beyond my level at first glance
though.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the only Linux I've got installed right now is Puppy
>> 2.17, and I'm nowhere near understanding how you add any software
>> modules to that, unless it happens to be available in one of Puppy's
>> special installation packages. What's worse, Puppy's default mount
>> utility doesn't work at all on either of my two systems, so I'm
>> completely dependent on the backup utility, which is flakey. But maybe
>> I'll get lucky and it will recognize and read the DVD-RAM disk.

No such luck.
>>
>
>As you have already found, you are very limited if using a 'live cd' of
>any description. Really you need to install to hdd which opens up (for
>mepis anyway) a whole load of software/utilities available on line from a
>repository. In this case I grabbed the UDFtools package.

Those few LiveCDs that permit saving configuration to storage media
(Puppy and Knoppix are the only two I know of) do allow you to add
modules. The trouble with Puppy is, AFAIK, that only specially
prepared packets are easily accessible. With Knoppix, you can use
debian packets, although I haven't actually tried this (I'm waiting
for ver. 5.2.1.) Apparently, Knoppix 5.2 included several
virtualization packages, but was only released officially at Cebit on
disk. There are numerous torrents of it available though.


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