From: Arved Sandstrom on
Stefan Ram wrote:
> Arved Sandstrom <dcest61(a)hotmail.com> writes:
>> I agree with all of the above - now. Prior to 2000 I used text editors
>
> �[T]he only 3 editors we know to be used by great
> hackers are TextMate, vim and emacs. (...)
>
> We haven't met a single great hacker that relied
> on an IDE, although we hear they exist.�
>
> http://giraffesoft.ca/blog/2009/03/10/4-core-competencies-of-great-hackers.html
[ SNIP ]

After reading what that guy wrote in that link, I must conclude that
he's an ignorant idiot. It is not humanly possible - and common sense
should have informed that fool of this fact - to be faster without an
IDE than with one. And if some individual has an environment built up
around vim or emacs or some other programming text editor, with all
sorts of helper scripts and macros and what have you, with which they
are also very productive...guess what? That is also an IDE.

AHS
From: Arne Vajhøj on
On 28-04-2010 08:45, Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, RedGrittyBrick wrote:
>> are available for all those platforms, with and without GUI trappings.
....
> As i mentioned above, jEdit is cross-platform. It runs everywhere java
> runs, and since we're talking about an editor for java development, that
> would seem to be sufficient.

And it is pretty good.

And with lots of Java related plugins.

Arne
From: Arne Vajhøj on
On 28-04-2010 20:12, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> Up until not so long ago I recommended making use of a text editor for
> initial basic learning. Now that I've really thought it though, I see no
> point in using anything but a good IDE. An IDE provides assistance in
> entering code, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There is nothing wrong with the code typing assistance.

But IDE from day 1 often result in people that do not know
anything about how to run things outside the IDE.

Arne
From: JussiJ on
On Apr 28, 4:55 am, Lew <l...(a)lewscanon.com> wrote:

> Notepad is very bad for Java programming because most extant versions
> don't handle Unicode and they don't like cross-platform line endings.

The Zeus editor does not have these issues and it supports Java:

http://www.zeusedit.com
From: Mike Schilling on
Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, cr88192 wrote:
>
>> "Lew" <lew(a)lewscanon.com> wrote in message
>> news:7715fd2a-a507-4869-8ec4-a91faa495bc4(a)g30g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>>> cr88192 wrote:
>>>> anymore, I typically just do coding (in general) via the mix of
>>>> Notepad,
>>>
>>> Notepad is very bad for Java programming because most extant
>>> versions don't handle Unicode and they don't like cross-platform
>>> line endings.
>>
>> but, we all know CRLF is the proper cross-platform line ending, since
>> after all, it is used by Windows... (and typically people develop on
>> Windows for Windows anyways, most non-Windows development often
>> being a misnomer...). even when it is for non-Windows deployment, it
>> is still typically developing on Windows for whatever is their
>> target OS / HW...
>
> !
>
> I don't know a single good developer who develops on Windows.

You know me :-) I develop on Windows because it's what most of my customers
use, and also because I develop stuff that combines Java and .NET.