Do you suggest me using IDE when I'm learning JAVA
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From: Clarence Blumstein on 27 Apr 2010 09:27 Do you suggest me using IDE when I'm learning JAVA? because I'm about to using Eclipse when I'm learning JAVA? Did you using IDE while/when are a beginner?
From: Eric Sosman on 27 Apr 2010 10:14 On 4/27/2010 9:27 AM, Clarence Blumstein wrote: > Do you suggest me using IDE when I'm learning JAVA? because I'm about > to using Eclipse when I'm learning JAVA? Did you using IDE while/when > are a beginner? Can't speak for others, but I wrote my early Java with an ordinary code editor, one I was already familiar with. That way, I could concentrate on learning Java rather than on learning how to operate the IDE. YMMV. -- Eric Sosman esosman(a)ieee-dot-org.invalid
From: Lew on 27 Apr 2010 10:14 Clarence Blumstein wrote: > Do you suggest me using IDE when I'm learning JAVA? because I'm about > to using Eclipse when I'm learning JAVA? Did you using IDE while/when > are a beginner? Opinions vary. An IDE can be both a blessing and a curse to the student. It's a blessing because it lets you get productive earlier. It's a curse because it hides some information and can leave you wondering how and why things work. Or don't. I suggest using an IDE sometimes and using only the command line (including Ant) other times. Each will then illuminate the other and you will grow up to be ambidextrous with respect to using an IDE or not. Frequently when I develop a project I maintain the Ant build.xml manually and alternate between IDE builds and command-line builds to ensure that both work equally well. -- Lew
From: cr88192 on 27 Apr 2010 10:35 "Clarence Blumstein" <blumstein.clarence(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:d0c1f722-4bec-4728-81a2-22d91d57d4d8(a)p35g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > Do you suggest me using IDE when I'm learning JAVA? because I'm about > to using Eclipse when I'm learning JAVA? Did you using IDE while/when > are a beginner? if you are new to programming in general, an IDE can help, as they provide a lot of little things which can be helpful. but, for Java in particular, the IDE is not particularly important, and one can easily write code in plain text editors if they want. it depends a lot on personal preferences and experience. as for myself, well, I didn't start out with Java (it didn't really exist yet). I used IDEs some (TurboC / BorlandC), but in those days it didn't help much (glorified text editor...), and eventually I just ended up managing files manually via the DOS-prompt (and using "MS Edit"). anymore, I typically just do coding (in general) via the mix of Notepad, Explorer, and a command prompt (and typically GNU Make for building). not that there is anything noble about this, only that this approach just better suits my uses and personal experience (there are pros and cons to IDEs). my projects are also largish and mixed language (and largely C), and I use some amount of "custom tooling", which may also be a factor, ... (there are no uniformly "better" options in all this, only endless numbers of costs and benefits). but, for learning, an IDE is likely to be somewhat helpful, as it provides a lot of things which could be otherwise awkward to do by hand. or such...
From: markspace on 27 Apr 2010 11:04
Clarence Blumstein wrote: > Do you suggest me using IDE when I'm learning JAVA? because I'm about > to using Eclipse when I'm learning JAVA? Did you using IDE while/when > are a beginner? Yes, I do. Learning to use an IDE is part of learning how to program. There are lots of little time saving enhancements with an IDE that you should learn, and those enhancements will help you learn faster as well as be more productive later in your profession. It's win-win. A few years ago I would have said "no, just use a text editor" like several others here, but these days an IDE is so valuable that it should be part of your basic learning. (A few years ago, you would have used shell scripting too as part of your basic learning, because the shell tools were so important to being productive as a programmer. My first class at university for C was titled "C and the Unix Shell.") Eventually, you should learn the command line tools, but learning the command line tools (and Ant) is different than entering code, and the latter is what you will be mostly doing as you learn. An IDE is the best tool to help you enter code. |