Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 5 Aug 2008 01:38 On Aug 5, 8:52 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 3, 10:54 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Aug 3, 6:16 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 1, 11:57 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Aug 1, 8:29 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>> On Jul 31, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> Why don't we just wait for him before judging them then? > > > > >>>>>>>> I happen to think that if anyone needs judging it is the liars and > > > > >>>>>>>> hypocrites. But you don't see me campaigning to remove their human > > > > >>>>>>>> rights. > > > > >>>>>>> Well, yes, I do. Like other atheists you campaign for abortion, > > > > >>>>>>> which removes the right to live of the people who are killed. > > > > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > > > >>>>>> Please show me evidence that I've campaigned for abortion. Because > > > > >>>>>> that's a flat out lie. And is that your best effort at demonising > > > > >>>>>> atheists? > > > > >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >>>>> Atheists have caused more abortions than any other group of people. > > > > >>>> So, you can't show evidence where atheists (like Al) have campaigned for > > > > >>>> abortion. You have lied. > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >>> Josef Stalin was an atheist like Al. While Josef Stalin was dictator > > > > >>> of the Soviet Union, the number of abortions in Russia increased to > > > > >>> about five per woman. > > > > >>> In the People's Republic of China, women who have had one child are > > > > >>> required by the state to abort any children conceived after the first > > > > >>> child is born. > > > > >> So, you have lied. > > > > > > No, I did not lie. > > > > > You said that Al campaigned for abortion. Are you going to provide > > > > evidence for this? > > > > Sure. Ask Al if he is in favor of right to life. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > What does that have to do with whether I've campaigned for legal > > abortions? > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > Well, I am certainly sorry if I have misjudged you, Al. I think you > are pro-abortion. > Robert B. Winn That is because you are pidgeon-holing people based on misinformation from your church. I am neither pro- nor anti- abortion. I think it's something for women to decide on. It doesn't directly effect me, and I think it presumptuous for men to have a say. Not an opinion, but a say. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 5 Aug 2008 01:43 On Aug 5, 8:59 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 4, 12:00 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Aug 4, 1:05 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 2, 8:54 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:40:30 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > > > in alt.atheism: > > > > > >On Aug 1, 8:29?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >> > On Jul 31, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> Why don't we just wait for him before judging them then? > > > > >> >>>>>> I happen to think that if anyone needs judging it is the liars and > > > > >> >>>>>> hypocrites. But you don't see me campaigning to remove their human > > > > >> >>>>>> rights. > > > > >> >>>>> Well, yes, I do. Like other atheists you campaign for abortion, > > > > >> >>>>> which removes the right to live of the people who are killed. > > > > >> >>>>> Robert B. Winn > > > > >> >>>> Please show me evidence that I've campaigned for abortion. Because > > > > >> >>>> that's a flat out lie. And is that your best effort at demonising > > > > >> >>>> atheists? > > > > >> >>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >> >>> Atheists have caused more abortions than any other group of people. > > > > >> >> So, you can't show evidence where atheists (like Al) have campaigned for > > > > >> >> abortion. You have lied. > > > > > >> >> -- > > > > > >> > Josef Stalin was an atheist like Al. ?While Josef Stalin was dictator > > > > >> > of the Soviet Union, the number of abortions in Russia increased to > > > > >> > about five per woman. > > > > >> > In the People's Republic of China, women who have had one child are > > > > >> > required by the state to abort any children conceived after the first > > > > >> > child is born. > > > > > >> So, you have lied. > > > > > >No, I did not lie. > > > > > You lie to us all the time. This was one such example.- Hide quoted text - > > > > So you are claiming that abortions in Russia did not increase while > > > Josef Stalin was dictator of that country. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Lies followed by misrepresenting what others say. I'm assuming a > > human who can still breathe can't be THAT stupid, so I assume you lie > > with malice. > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > You are just upset because Josef Stalin was so obvious about atheistic > goals, Al. > Robert B. Winn No, you keep trying to make it about Stalin. The question was about whether I campaigned for abortions. You keep gibbering on about Stalin. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 5 Aug 2008 01:47 On Aug 5, 1:05 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 4, 3:54 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:147d2d46-ff33-4aac-b29a-7e24af243840(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> > On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >> >> wrote > > >> >> in alt.atheism: > > > >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >> >>>>>> wrote > > >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > >> >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >>>>>> ... > > >> >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > >> >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > >> >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > >> >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > >> >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > > >> >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > >> >>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > > >> >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > > >> >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > > >> >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > > >> >>> them, Peace be unto you. > > >> >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > > >> >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > >> >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > >> >>> caught. > > >> >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > >> >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > > >> >>> many, yet was not the net broken. > > >> >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples > > >> >>> durst > > >> >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > >> >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > > >> >>> likewise. > > >> >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > >> >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > >> >> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted > > >> >> text - > > > >> > The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. > > > >> For what kinds of cases? > > > > For all kinds of cases. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > > > evidence in the monkey trial. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > All kinds if cases? > > You mean, "one type of case"? > > No, a lawyer can attempt to introduce any physical object as evidence > in a court case. > Robert B. Winn Relevant evidence Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 5 Aug 2008 02:29 On Aug 5, 1:32 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in messagenews:64e60dc8-751e-411d-817c-2703607c9818(a)r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Aug 4, 9:02 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >> On Aug 3, 9:09 am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> > On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> > wrote > >> > in alt.atheism: > > >> > >On Aug 2, 8:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> > >> wrote > >> > >> in alt.atheism: > > >> > >> >On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> > >> ... > > >> > >> >> > Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > >> > >> >> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > >> > >> >Well, actually there is. ?The apostles were witnesses of the > >> > >> >resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > >> > >> No evidence backs up your claim. > > >> > >Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > >> > We've been over this you mindless fool. The Bible is not evidence in > >> > any > >> > way, shape or manner. I have read the Bible from cover to cover. Your > >> > claims just don't hold water.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > >> It helps to comprehend what you read if you read something. > >> Robert B. Winn > > > whoopsie! There goes another irony meter. > > Before you instal a new one, get yourself a 'bobbie shunt' (not to be > confused with a 'Cupid Stunt'). > I know they're expensive and very big (there's a lot of irony that they have > to dissipate), but you will find it worthwhile. > > Smiler, > The godless one > a.a.# 2279 I was thinking of getting a Bobbie shunt wired to ground. But was wondering if the earth could take that big a charge all at once. Al
From: Steve O on 5 Aug 2008 04:55
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:e06f2bf0-ce6a-4204-a17a-1951086c8324(a)y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 4, 5:34�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:02:25 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <df36fbb3-4bc6-4217-93a7-eb8537d50...(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Aug 3, 8:56?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> wrote >> >> >> in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> >> >>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism: >> >> >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>> ... >> >> >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. >> >> >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? >> >> >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the >> >> >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. >> >> >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. >> >> >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. >> >> >>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your >> >> >>>> claim. >> >> >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled >> >> >>> for >> >> >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith >> >> >>> unto >> >> >>> them, Peace be unto you. >> >> >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire >> >> >>> of >> >> >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. >> >> >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now >> >> >>> caught. >> >> >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great >> >> >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so >> >> >>> many, yet was not the net broken. >> >> >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples >> >> >>> durst >> >> >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. >> >> >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish >> >> >>> likewise. >> >> >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his >> >> >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. >> >> >> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted >> >> >> text - >> >> >> > The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. ? >> >> >> For what kinds of cases? >> >> >For any kind of case. �A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered as >> >evidence in any court case. �Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as >> >evidence in the famous "monkey trial". >> >> When did you last check the rules of evidence?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > The last time I was in court. I attempted to introduce the > Constitution of the United States as evidence. > Robert B. Winn And presumably failed. |