Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 4 Aug 2008 23:05 On Aug 4, 3:54�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:147d2d46-ff33-4aac-b29a-7e24af243840(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote > >> >> in alt.atheism: > > >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>>>> wrote > >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>> ... > >> >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > >> >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > >> >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > >> >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > >> >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > >> >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > >> >>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > >> >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > >> >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > >> >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > >> >>> them, Peace be unto you. > >> >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > >> >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > >> >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > >> >>> caught. > >> >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > >> >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > >> >>> many, yet was not the net broken. > >> >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples > >> >>> durst > >> >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > >> >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > >> >>> likewise. > >> >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > >> >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > >> >> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted > >> >> text - > > >> > The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. > > >> For what kinds of cases? > > > For all kinds of cases. �Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > > evidence in the monkey trial. > > Robert B. Winn > > All kinds if cases? > You mean, "one type of case"? > No, a lawyer can attempt to introduce any physical object as evidence in a court case. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 4 Aug 2008 23:08 On Aug 4, 5:34�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:02:25 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > <df36fbb3-4bc6-4217-93a7-eb8537d50...(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Aug 3, 8:56?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >> >> in alt.atheism: > > >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>> ... > >> >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > >> >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > >> >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > >> >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > >> >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > >> >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > >> >>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > >> >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > >> >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > >> >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > >> >>> them, Peace be unto you. > >> >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > >> >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > >> >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > >> >>> caught. > >> >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > >> >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > >> >>> many, yet was not the net broken. > >> >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > >> >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > >> >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > >> >>> likewise. > >> >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > >> >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > >> >> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. ? > > >> For what kinds of cases? > > >For any kind of case. �A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered as > >evidence in any court case. �Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > >evidence in the famous "monkey trial". > > When did you last check the rules of evidence?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The last time I was in court. I attempted to introduce the Constitution of the United States as evidence. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 4 Aug 2008 23:12 On Aug 4, 5:36�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:33:44 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > <147d2d46-ff33-4aac-b29a-7e24af243...(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Aug 3, 8:56?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >> >> in alt.atheism: > > >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>> ... > >> >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > >> >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > >> >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > >> >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > >> >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > >> >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > >> >>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > >> >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > >> >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > >> >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > >> >>> them, Peace be unto you. > >> >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > >> >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > >> >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > >> >>> caught. > >> >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > >> >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > >> >>> many, yet was not the net broken. > >> >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > >> >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > >> >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > >> >>> likewise. > >> >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > >> >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > >> >> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. ? > > >> For what kinds of cases? > > >For all kinds of cases. �Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > >evidence in the monkey trial. > > I really don't have any idea if your story is true or not or for what > purpose it would have been used if it had been admitted. I do know that > it would not be allowed under similar circumstances today. Our rules of > evidence don't allow fantasy to be called evidence now.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It happened. Clarence Darrow cross-examined William Jennings Bryan for a couple of days about the Bible. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 4 Aug 2008 23:18 On Aug 4, 7:13�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 3, 8:57 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Aug 3, 4:30 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Aug 3, 8:54 am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:50:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>> On Aug 2, 7:23?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> The word in question is "egkuos". This word can be defined as: > >>>>>>>>>> swelling inside, i.e. pregnant -- great with child. > >>>>>>>>>> You are using "great with child" and assuming that's what the writer of > >>>>>>>>>> Luke meant. Not sure how you get that, actually. Most people today > >>>>>>>>>> would use the word "pregnant", not the phrase "great with child". > >>>>>>>>> Well, what you are saying is that you believe that Luke was so feeble > >>>>>>>>> minded that he would have believed there was something other than a > >>>>>>>>> child in the womb of a pregnant woman. ? Nothing he wrote would > >>>>>>>>> indicate that he was feeble minded. > >>>>>>>> No, I'm not saying that at all. > >>>>>>> Well, you absolutely are. You regard me as so stupid that you think > >>>>>>> you can convince me that a pregnant woman does not have a child in her > >>>>>>> womb. Why would you treat Luke any different? > >>>>>> Once again, you misrepresent the discussion.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> The discussion was whether a pregnant woman has a child in her womb.. > >>>>> You claimed she did not. > >>>> There is a fetus in the womb from 9 weeks from conception to birth. > >>>> Prior to 9 weeks, there isn't even a fetus. > >>>> Did you parents ever teach you about the birds and the bees? (Hint: It > >>>> has nothing to do with avians or insects.) > >>> I was taught from the time I was born that a pregnant woman has a > >>> child inside her. > >> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you were taught wrong. > > >> -- > > You are saying that my mother was lying to me about my younger > > brothers and sisters? > > No. �She was taught wrong, too, if she claimed that she had children in > her womb. Well, she was taught from the Bible. The Bible says, 4 And Joseph also went up ........... 5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. Robert B. Winn
From: Smiler on 4 Aug 2008 23:32
"Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwhipp(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:64e60dc8-751e-411d-817c-2703607c9818(a)r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 4, 9:02 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> On Aug 3, 9:09 am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > wrote >> > in alt.atheism: >> >> > >On Aug 2, 8:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > >> wrote >> > >> in alt.atheism: >> >> > >> >On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> > >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > >> ... >> >> > >> >> > Discuss it with John after the resurrection. >> >> > >> >> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? >> >> > >> >Well, actually there is. ?The apostles were witnesses of the >> > >> >resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. >> >> > >> No evidence backs up your claim. >> >> > >Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. >> >> > We've been over this you mindless fool. The Bible is not evidence in >> > any >> > way, shape or manner. I have read the Bible from cover to cover. Your >> > claims just don't hold water.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> It helps to comprehend what you read if you read something. >> Robert B. Winn > > whoopsie! There goes another irony meter. > Before you instal a new one, get yourself a 'bobbie shunt' (not to be confused with a 'Cupid Stunt'). I know they're expensive and very big (there's a lot of irony that they have to dissipate), but you will find it worthwhile. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 |