Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Steve O on 5 Aug 2008 16:46 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:558164f1-39f1-48fe-9b6f-90c711472882(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >> I will say it. �You have serious mental disturbances. �But that is as >> far as it goes. �I am not a psychiatrist so I cannot prescribe you >> medications or enforce any institutionalisations. �I think you would >> benefit from both, but as an uneducated opinion, it holds no weight. >> You have tried to get people to say they would like to lock you up on >> several occaissions. �Why is that? >> >> Al- Hide quoted text - >> > Because it is true. If you were able to do it, that is what you would > do. However, I know more about the atheistic court system than you do > and would be able to stop it from happening. Secondly, if it did > happen, all I would have to do is talk to a psychiatrist, and I would > be released. > The reason I know so much about it is because I have already been > declared insane and institutionalized. It is just a system of > accusation in which no proof is required. All it takes are the > signatures of a judge and two medical doctors. > Robert B. Winn In any court, expert medical opinion is classed as valid evidence or proof.. Sorry. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >
From: Steve O on 5 Aug 2008 16:49 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:e323a763-6e98-4845-981c-800015e7a2e3(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 4, 10:33�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> On Aug 5, 8:48 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Aug 3, 10:42 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >> >> > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> > > On Aug 2, 11:44 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> > > > On Aug 1, 7:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote:> >> > > > rbwinn wrote: >> > > > > > On Aug 1, 7:34 am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: >> > > > > >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> > > > > >>> What makes a book fiction or non-fiction is the intent of the >> > > > > >>> author or >> > > > > >>> authors. A fiction book is an account of imaginary events. >> > > > > >> Exactly so, and THAT is why the Bible is fiction. I'm glad you >> > > > > >> understand that, you may be making progress. >> >> > > > > > The proclamation of an atheist has no real power. It does not >> > > > > > change >> > > > > > reality. >> >> > > > > And the proclamation of a religious nutter such as yourself has >> > > > > even >> > > > > less power. It doesn't even acknowledge reality. >> >> > > > So why was I the one who acknowledged that Hezekiah's tunnel exists >> > > > while atheists tried to claim that tour guides in Jerusalem were >> > > > taking tourists through solid rock? >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > This is another of your more persistent lies. No-one said at any >> > > stage that there is no tunnel. >> >> > > Al- Hide quoted text - >> >> > You continue to say that the Bible is nothing but mythology. �If you >> > say that the Bible is nothing but mythology, you are saying that the >> > tunnel is mythology because the Bible describes the construction of >> > Hezekiah's tunnel in three different books of the Old Testament. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> No. �You continue to not see the point. �It is quite disturbing. >> Greek mythology mentions Mount Olympus and Athens, both of which exist >> today. �This does not mean that Athens is mythological. >> Surely you can't be THAT stupid. >> > I am not so stupid as to believe that an atheist would ever do > anything but deny that Hezekiah's tunnel exists. If you tell me that > you believe the tunnel exists, all you are doing is saying that you > would tell the next person it does not exist. That is how you do > things. Since that is the way you are, I just keep it simple by > saying that you continue to deny the existence of the tunnel. Denying > the veracity of anything in the Bible is more important to you than > the existence of the tunnel. As long as it remains that way, you do > not admit that the tunnel exists. All you are doing is just putting > words together in an attempt to deceive. > Robert B. Winn Would it make you happy if an atheist walked through the tunnel? For f**ks sake, I'd be willing to pay out to visit the bloody place and walk through it just to shut you up. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: JM on 5 Aug 2008 19:22 On Aug 4, 10:47 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Aug 5, 1:05 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 4, 3:54 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:147d2d46-ff33-4aac-b29a-7e24af243840(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.... > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >> > On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >> >> wrote > > > >> >> in alt.atheism: > > > > >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >> >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >> >>>>>> wrote > > > >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > > >> >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >> >>>>>> ... > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > > >> >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > > >> >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > > >> >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > > >> >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > > > >> >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > > >> >>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > > > >> >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > > > >> >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > > > >> >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > > > >> >>> them, Peace be unto you. > > > >> >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > > > >> >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > > >> >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > > >> >>> caught. > > > >> >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > > >> >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > > > >> >>> many, yet was not the net broken. > > > >> >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples > > > >> >>> durst > > > >> >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > > >> >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > > > >> >>> likewise. > > > >> >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > > >> >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > > >> >> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted > > > >> >> text - > > > > >> > The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. > > > > >> For what kinds of cases? > > > > > For all kinds of cases. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > > > > evidence in the monkey trial. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > All kinds if cases? > > > You mean, "one type of case"? > > > No, a lawyer can attempt to introduce any physical object as evidence > > in a court case. > > Robert B. Winn > > Relevant evidence > > Al Does the parents have to condescend to their children? JM
From: rbwinn on 5 Aug 2008 21:56 On Aug 5, 6:31�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 4, 9:22 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> On Aug 5, 11:08 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Aug 4, 5:34 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:02:25 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > >>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > >>>> <df36fbb3-4bc6-4217-93a7-eb8537d50...(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: > >>>>> On Aug 3, 8:56?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > >>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > >>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > >>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > >>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > >>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > >>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. > >>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > >>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > >>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > >>>>>>>>> caught. > >>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > >>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > >>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. > >>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > >>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > >>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > >>>>>>>>> likewise. > >>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > >>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > >>>>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. ? > >>>>>> For what kinds of cases? > >>>>> For any kind of case. A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered as > >>>>> evidence in any court case. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > >>>>> evidence in the famous "monkey trial". > >>>> When did you last check the rules of evidence?- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> The last time I was in court. I attempted to introduce the > >>> Constitution of the United States as evidence. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> Yes, the constitution was written in modern time and is not a story. > >> The bible was written more than 2000 years ago and was a collection of > >> tales meant to con the young into sleep. > >> You do not know the significance of a constitution and a fictional > >> story book.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > I said I attempted to enter the Constitution as evidence. �Judges in > > America today do not allow the Constitution in their police state > > courts. > > Just like they do not allow independent voters to run for public office, > right? �I demolished that claim. �Want me to demolish this one? �All I > need to do is to find ONE case wherein the Constitution was used as > evidence. > > Want me to do that? > You did not demolish anything. Independent voters are prevented from running for office every way party politicians can think of to prevent them from running. That is just a fact. As for the other matter, you would have to find a case where a police state judge allowed a defendant to refer to the Constitution or Constitutional rights. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 5 Aug 2008 21:57
On Aug 5, 6:42�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 4, 9:36 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> On Aug 4, 9:40 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Aug 3, 8:38 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Aug 3, 4:18 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > >>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > >>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > >>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > >>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > >>>>>>>> I have a Bible. There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > >>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > >>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > >>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > >>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. > >>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > >>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > >>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > >>>>>>> caught. > >>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > >>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > >>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. > >>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > >>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > >>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > >>>>>>> likewise. > >>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > >>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > >>>>>> No, that's not evidence. That's a claim. > >>>>> Well, you have to understand something about rules of evidence. If > >>>>> something exists, it can be entered into evidence. The Bible > >>>>> exists. > >>>> This post exists. This post says that unicorns exist. Therefore, this > >>>> post can be entered into evidence and unicorns must exist. Right? > >>>> Or is "unicorns exist" just a claim? > >>> No, it is evidence that you are not telling the truth. > >>>>> So what is your position, that the Bible does not exist, therefore it > >>>>> cannot be entered into evidence? > >>>>> This is the same tactic you have used from the beginning concerning > >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. > >>>> Um, no. And you cannot prove that any atheist has ever said anything > >>>> about Hezekiah's tunnel not existing, so you might as well give up that > >>>> tripe. > >>> One atheist a few years back said that Hezekiah's tunnel was a hoax > >>> perpetrated by Jerusalem tour guides. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> And none in this discussion and no citation to back up this claim. > >> And yet you ascribe all atheists with the property of denying tunnel > >> exists. > >> Why is that? Could it be that you're another Liar-for-jesus? > > >> Al- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > No, it is just that knowing the way atheists are, > > You have shown time and again that you have NO knowledge of the way > atheists really are. > > > if an atheist tells > > me that he believes the tunnel exists, I do not believe that atheist > > is really conceding its existence, but will continue to say that the > > Bible is nothing but mythology even after being shown that it is not. > > Why? �Because the tunnel exists? > The tunnel exists. It is right where the Bible said a tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. Robert B. Winn |