Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 5 Aug 2008 22:30 On Aug 6, 12:06 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 4, 10:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Aug 5, 8:59 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 4, 12:00 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > On Aug 4, 1:05 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 2, 8:54 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:40:30 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > > > > > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > > >On Aug 1, 8:29?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >> > On Jul 31, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> Why don't we just wait for him before judging them then? > > > > > > >> >>>>>> I happen to think that if anyone needs judging it is the liars and > > > > > > >> >>>>>> hypocrites. But you don't see me campaigning to remove their human > > > > > > >> >>>>>> rights. > > > > > > >> >>>>> Well, yes, I do. Like other atheists you campaign for abortion, > > > > > > >> >>>>> which removes the right to live of the people who are killed. > > > > > > >> >>>>> Robert B. Winn > > > > > > >> >>>> Please show me evidence that I've campaigned for abortion. Because > > > > > > >> >>>> that's a flat out lie. And is that your best effort at demonising > > > > > > >> >>>> atheists? > > > > > > >> >>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >> >>> Atheists have caused more abortions than any other group of people. > > > > > > >> >> So, you can't show evidence where atheists (like Al) have campaigned for > > > > > > >> >> abortion. You have lied. > > > > > > > >> >> -- > > > > > > > >> > Josef Stalin was an atheist like Al. ?While Josef Stalin was dictator > > > > > > >> > of the Soviet Union, the number of abortions in Russia increased to > > > > > > >> > about five per woman. > > > > > > >> > In the People's Republic of China, women who have had one child are > > > > > > >> > required by the state to abort any children conceived after the first > > > > > > >> > child is born. > > > > > > > >> So, you have lied. > > > > > > > >No, I did not lie. > > > > > > > You lie to us all the time. This was one such example.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > So you are claiming that abortions in Russia did not increase while > > > > > Josef Stalin was dictator of that country. > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Lies followed by misrepresenting what others say. I'm assuming a > > > > human who can still breathe can't be THAT stupid, so I assume you lie > > > > with malice. > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > You are just upset because Josef Stalin was so obvious about atheistic > > > goals, Al. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > No, you keep trying to make it about Stalin. The question was about > > whether I campaigned for abortions. You keep gibbering on about > > Stalin. > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You just campaigned for abortion in the preceeding post. > Robert B. Winn Oh for fkcu's sake. Get some reading comprehension. Al
From: DanielSan on 5 Aug 2008 22:32 rbwinn wrote: > On Aug 5, 6:31�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 4, 9:22 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Aug 5, 11:08 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>> On Aug 4, 5:34 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:02:25 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >>>>>> <df36fbb3-4bc6-4217-93a7-eb8537d50...(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:56?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. >>>>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the >>>>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for >>>>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto >>>>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. >>>>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of >>>>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. >>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now >>>>>>>>>>> caught. >>>>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great >>>>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so >>>>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. >>>>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst >>>>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. >>>>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish >>>>>>>>>>> likewise. >>>>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his >>>>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. >>>>>>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. ? >>>>>>>> For what kinds of cases? >>>>>>> For any kind of case. A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered as >>>>>>> evidence in any court case. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as >>>>>>> evidence in the famous "monkey trial". >>>>>> When did you last check the rules of evidence?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> The last time I was in court. I attempted to introduce the >>>>> Constitution of the United States as evidence. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Yes, the constitution was written in modern time and is not a story. >>>> The bible was written more than 2000 years ago and was a collection of >>>> tales meant to con the young into sleep. >>>> You do not know the significance of a constitution and a fictional >>>> story book.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> I said I attempted to enter the Constitution as evidence. �Judges in >>> America today do not allow the Constitution in their police state >>> courts. >> Just like they do not allow independent voters to run for public office, >> right? �I demolished that claim. �Want me to demolish this one? �All I >> need to do is to find ONE case wherein the Constitution was used as >> evidence. >> >> Want me to do that? >> > You did not demolish anything. Independent voters are prevented from > running for office every way party politicians can think of to prevent > them from running. > That is just a fact. And, as I showed, that's NOT a fact. It's a downright, bald-faced lie. The existence of Bernie Sanders demolishes your claim. > As for the other matter, you would have to find a case where a police > state judge allowed a defendant to refer to the Constitution or > Constitutional rights. Want me to do that? -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: DanielSan on 5 Aug 2008 22:32 rbwinn wrote: > On Aug 5, 6:42�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 4, 9:36 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> On Aug 4, 9:40 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>> On Aug 3, 8:38 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:18 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. >>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. >>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. >>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the >>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for >>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto >>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. >>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of >>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. >>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now >>>>>>>>> caught. >>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great >>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so >>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. >>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst >>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. >>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish >>>>>>>>> likewise. >>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his >>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. >>>>>>>> No, that's not evidence. That's a claim. >>>>>>> Well, you have to understand something about rules of evidence. If >>>>>>> something exists, it can be entered into evidence. The Bible >>>>>>> exists. >>>>>> This post exists. This post says that unicorns exist. Therefore, this >>>>>> post can be entered into evidence and unicorns must exist. Right? >>>>>> Or is "unicorns exist" just a claim? >>>>> No, it is evidence that you are not telling the truth. >>>>>>> So what is your position, that the Bible does not exist, therefore it >>>>>>> cannot be entered into evidence? >>>>>>> This is the same tactic you have used from the beginning concerning >>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>>>> Um, no. And you cannot prove that any atheist has ever said anything >>>>>> about Hezekiah's tunnel not existing, so you might as well give up that >>>>>> tripe. >>>>> One atheist a few years back said that Hezekiah's tunnel was a hoax >>>>> perpetrated by Jerusalem tour guides. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> And none in this discussion and no citation to back up this claim. >>>> And yet you ascribe all atheists with the property of denying tunnel >>>> exists. >>>> Why is that? Could it be that you're another Liar-for-jesus? >>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> No, it is just that knowing the way atheists are, >> You have shown time and again that you have NO knowledge of the way >> atheists really are. >> >>> if an atheist tells >>> me that he believes the tunnel exists, I do not believe that atheist >>> is really conceding its existence, but will continue to say that the >>> Bible is nothing but mythology even after being shown that it is not. >> Why? �Because the tunnel exists? >> > The tunnel exists. It is right where the Bible said a tunnel was dug > as a conduit for water. And what does that have to do with anything? -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: DanielSan on 5 Aug 2008 22:34 rbwinn wrote: > On Aug 5, 6:42�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 4, 9:39 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> On Aug 4, 10:13 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>> On Aug 3, 9:31 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>> On Aug 2, 1:07 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 8:14 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:f012c137-ec7a-4f41-acf8-81a047bcb82d(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>> Smiler, >>>>>>>>> I never go to alt.atheism. >>>>>>>> Idiot - you are never out of it. >>>>>>>> Every time you hit that send button with alt.atheism in your headers, you go >>>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>> All I am doing is responding to posts in >>>>>>>>> sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity. >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> And alt.atheism, cretin. >>>>>>> I don't care what is in the headers. I have already told you how to >>>>>>> avoid talking to me. Just take sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity >>>>>>> out of the header. I never go to alt.atheism. >>>>>>> Robert b. Winn >>>>>> The issue is really that some of us really object to lies. And when >>>>>> we see lies, we feel the need to publicly denounce them to the same >>>>>> audience as they were originally disseminated to. >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> If you object to lies, then you should stop posting lies in >>>>> sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity. Lies are off topic in these >>>>> newsgroups. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> I haven't posted any lies. You however, have demonstrably posted many >>>> lies >>> It did not happen. �I was the person who said that Hezekiah's tunnel >>> exists, which was demonstrated to be true. >> And King's Cross Station exists. >> > Does the Bible say that King's Cross Station exists? No, because, when the Bible was written, the station was not built yet. When the Bible was written, it didn't even REFERENCE the entire country that would later be known as England. -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 5 Aug 2008 22:35
On Aug 6, 12:27 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 5, 1:38 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:b869657a-8ad3-4d4d-9f10-5440569a3345(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Aug 4, 10:01 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> > On Aug 4, 3:54 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >> >>news:147d2d46-ff33-4aac-b29a-7e24af243840(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> >>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >> >>>>>> wrote > > >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > >> >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > >> >>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote > > >> >>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >>>>>>>>>> ... > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > >> >>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > > >> >>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > >> >>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your > > >> >>>>>>>> claim. > > >> >>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of > > >> >>>>>>> the > > >> >>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled > > >> >>>>>>> for > > >> >>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith > > >> >>>>>>> unto > > >> >>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. > > >> >>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire > > >> >>>>>>> of > > >> >>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > >> >>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > >> >>>>>>> caught. > > >> >>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > >> >>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > > >> >>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. > > >> >>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples > > >> >>>>>>> durst > > >> >>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > >> >>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and > > >> >>>>>>> fish > > >> >>>>>>> likewise. > > >> >>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > >> >>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > >> >>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide > > >> >>>>>> quoted > > >> >>>>>> text - > > >> >>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. > > >> >>>> For what kinds of cases? > > >> >>> For all kinds of cases. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > > >> >>> evidence in the monkey trial. > > >> >>> Robert B. Winn > > >> >> All kinds if cases? > > >> >> You mean, "one type of case"? > > > >> > No, a lawyer can attempt to introduce any physical object as evidence > > >> > in a court case. > > > >> But, will it be ACCEPTED as evidence? > > > >> You keep trying these clever games with your debating tactics. Clever, > > >> to you. Lame and flimsy to everyone else. > > > > Not today. A judge today in the United States will not even allow the > > > Constitution of the United States to be entered as evidence. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > It depends on what you are trying to prove. > > Why were you trying to introduce the Constitution as evidence, and how could > > it prove or disprove anything in relation to your particular circumstabces? > > > -- > > The sixth amendment to the Constitution says that the defendant has > the right to trial by jury in "all criminal prosecutions". The judge > in my case had just denied my right to trial by jury. > Robert B. Winn Probably to minimise the number of people that will need trauma counselling from trying to follow your gibberish before they realise it's complete gibberish. Al |