Eraser 6 requires dotnet 3.5 or higher.
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From: John Corliss on 28 Dec 2009 05:29 bob wrote: > In article <1umdnZgcz6-UXqnWnZ2dnUVZ_qFi4p2d(a)posted.ccountrynet>, > q34wsk20(a)yahoo.com says... >> bob wrote: >>> In article <DKOdnVHWic6YarDWnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d(a)posted.ccountrynet>, >>> q34wsk20(a)yahoo.com says... >>>> bob wrote: >>>>> John Corliss wrote: >>>>>> The latest version of Eraser: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://eraser.heidi.ie >>>>>> >>>>>> requires dotnet 3.5 to be installed. This fact is *not* listed anywhere >>>>>> on the site AFAICT and I just wasted 20 minutes of my life dealing with >>>>>> a failed installation and removing all traces of the changes it imparted >>>>>> to my system. >>>>>> >>>>>> I reluctantly went with dotnet 2 when I installed my new Canon camera's >>>>>> software, but I'll be damned if I'll ever install the horribly bloated >>>>>> dotnet 3.5 runtime on my system. Your mileage may vary, but for me >>>>>> Eraser is effectively no longer being developed. Guess I'll install >>>>>> version 5.84 back on my system, or try the update to it (ver. 5.8.8) >>>>>> unless it requires dotnet 3.5 too. >>>>>> >>>>>> It would have been nice if the developers had mentioned somewhere on >>>>>> their website that Eraser now requires dotnet 3.5 to be installed. It >>>>>> would have saved me a lot of time. >>>>> Let me get this straight: You'll load the 63MB .Net 2.0 runtime but not >>>>> the 28MB .Net 3.5 runtime because it's "horribly bloated?? >>>> It's what they do after they're installed that really counts. On my >>>> system, 3.5 slows things down perceptibly. And yes, I actually have had >>>> it installed in the past. >>>> >>> What kinds of slow downs are you talking about? >> Much slower bootups and shutdowns. >> > I'm really confused. How would the presence of the .Net runtime affect > startup and shutdown? I'm not a programmer Bob, all I can relate is my personal experience which was that my computer started and shut down more slowly. After I removed dotnet 3.5, those speeds increased very noticeably. -- John Corliss BS206. Using News Proxy, I block all Google Groups posts due to Googlespam, and as many posts from anonymous remailers (like x-privat.org for eg.) as possible due to forgeries posted through them. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
From: Gordon Darling on 28 Dec 2009 09:54 On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:57:59 +0000, Bear Bottoms wrote: <snip> > From the link: > "Mono is an open source implementation of Microsoft's .NET Framework > based on the ECMA standards for C# and the Common Language Runtime. A > growing family of solutions and an active and enthusiastic contributing > community is helping position Mono to become the leading choice for > development of Linux applications." > > Wow, so .NET kinda is on Linux too. How does the Linux crowd in general > feel about Mono? A highly divisive topic. See link below for one point of view. http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-07-mscp-mono Regards Gordon
From: N4469P on 28 Dec 2009 12:33 On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:59:11 GMT, Bear Bottoms wrote: > John Corliss <q34wsk20(a)yahoo.com> wrote in > news:wcadndlM6rk4FaXWnZ2dnUVZ_hZi4p2d(a)posted.ccountrynet: > >> bob wrote: >>> In article <1umdnZgcz6-UXqnWnZ2dnUVZ_qFi4p2d(a)posted.ccountrynet>, >>> q34wsk20(a)yahoo.com says... >>>> bob wrote: >>>>> In article <DKOdnVHWic6YarDWnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d(a)posted.ccountrynet>, >>>>> q34wsk20(a)yahoo.com says... >>>>>> bob wrote: >>>>>>> John Corliss wrote: >>>>>>>> The latest version of Eraser: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://eraser.heidi.ie >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> requires dotnet 3.5 to be installed. This fact is *not* listed >>>>>>>> anywhere on the site AFAICT and I just wasted 20 minutes of my >>>>>>>> life dealing with a failed installation and removing all traces >>>>>>>> of the changes it imparted to my system. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I reluctantly went with dotnet 2 when I installed my new Canon >>>>>>>> camera's software, but I'll be damned if I'll ever install the >>>>>>>> horribly bloated dotnet 3.5 runtime on my system. Your mileage >>>>>>>> may vary, but for me Eraser is effectively no longer being >>>>>>>> developed. Guess I'll install version 5.84 back on my system, or >>>>>>>> try the update to it (ver. 5.8.8) unless it requires dotnet 3.5 >>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It would have been nice if the developers had mentioned >>>>>>>> somewhere on their website that Eraser now requires dotnet 3.5 >>>>>>>> to be installed. It would have saved me a lot of time. >>>>>>> Let me get this straight: You'll load the 63MB .Net 2.0 runtime >>>>>>> but not the 28MB .Net 3.5 runtime because it's "horribly >>>>>>> bloated?? >>>>>> It's what they do after they're installed that really counts. On >>>>>> my system, 3.5 slows things down perceptibly. And yes, I actually >>>>>> have had it installed in the past. >>>>>> >>>>> What kinds of slow downs are you talking about? >>>> Much slower bootups and shutdowns. >>>> >>> I'm really confused. How would the presence of the .Net runtime >>> affect startup and shutdown? >> >> I'm not a programmer Bob, all I can relate is my personal experience >> which was that my computer started and shut down more slowly. After I >> removed dotnet 3.5, those speeds increased very noticeably. >> > > John John John. bat knife prozac
From: bob on 28 Dec 2009 22:19 In article <wcadndlM6rk4FaXWnZ2dnUVZ_hZi4p2d(a)posted.ccountrynet>, q34wsk20(a)yahoo.com says... > > bob wrote: > > In article <1umdnZgcz6-UXqnWnZ2dnUVZ_qFi4p2d(a)posted.ccountrynet>, > > q34wsk20(a)yahoo.com says... > >> bob wrote: > >>> In article <DKOdnVHWic6YarDWnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d(a)posted.ccountrynet>, > >>> q34wsk20(a)yahoo.com says... > >>>> bob wrote: > >>>>> John Corliss wrote: > >>>>>> The latest version of Eraser: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://eraser.heidi.ie > >>>>>> > >>>>>> requires dotnet 3.5 to be installed. This fact is *not* listed anywhere > >>>>>> on the site AFAICT and I just wasted 20 minutes of my life dealing with > >>>>>> a failed installation and removing all traces of the changes it imparted > >>>>>> to my system. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I reluctantly went with dotnet 2 when I installed my new Canon camera's > >>>>>> software, but I'll be damned if I'll ever install the horribly bloated > >>>>>> dotnet 3.5 runtime on my system. Your mileage may vary, but for me > >>>>>> Eraser is effectively no longer being developed. Guess I'll install > >>>>>> version 5.84 back on my system, or try the update to it (ver. 5.8.8) > >>>>>> unless it requires dotnet 3.5 too. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It would have been nice if the developers had mentioned somewhere on > >>>>>> their website that Eraser now requires dotnet 3.5 to be installed. It > >>>>>> would have saved me a lot of time. > >>>>> Let me get this straight: You'll load the 63MB .Net 2.0 runtime but not > >>>>> the 28MB .Net 3.5 runtime because it's "horribly bloated?? > >>>> It's what they do after they're installed that really counts. On my > >>>> system, 3.5 slows things down perceptibly. And yes, I actually have had > >>>> it installed in the past. > >>>> > >>> What kinds of slow downs are you talking about? > >> Much slower bootups and shutdowns. > >> > > I'm really confused. How would the presence of the .Net runtime affect > > startup and shutdown? > > I'm not a programmer Bob, all I can relate is my personal experience > which was that my computer started and shut down more slowly. After I > removed dotnet 3.5, those speeds increased very noticeably. I did a search for, dotnet 3.5 slowdown, and after sifting through 7 pages of results, the only thing I could find is some people seemed to be having problems with slow printing. Upon installation, the dotnet 3.5 runtime does do some behind the scenes cpu intensive building of code tailored to your machine that can take a long time depending upon the power of your PC. If you installed the 3.5 runtime and shutdown shortly thereafter, your shutdown would be delayed until this process could get to a logical stopping point. Upon restarting your PC, this process would continue making it slow until this process is completed. HTH, Bob
From: Spamblk on 29 Dec 2009 02:56
bob <nottooslow42(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:MPG.25a3313322f10983989718(a)news.eternal-september.org: <SNIP....> > Upon installation, the dotnet 3.5 runtime does do some behind the > scenes cpu intensive building of code tailored to your machine that > can take a long time depending upon the power of your PC. If you > installed the 3.5 runtime and shutdown shortly thereafter, your > shutdown would be delayed until this process could get to a logical > stopping point. Upon restarting your PC, this process would continue > making it slow until this process is completed. > > HTH, > > Bob According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework, the .Net framework offers a runtime environment akin to Java or the JRE (Java Runtime Environment). Or for that matter has some similarity to WINE (which I use under Linux). If you run a Windows EXE under WINE it has to start up several processes to manage the environment and provide windows services to the Windows program. I don't use .Net myself, I suspect that .Net services are needed to run even the smallest .Net program. If the Services do not unload once the last .Net program terminates, I would presume that the run-times would have to be unloaded at shutdown. Users that have .Net could check this using a handy utility such as sysinternals.com PROCEXP or similar to see when .Net totally unloads (WINE will unload by default if there are no Windows programs running, perhaps .Net can be configured to the same thing if it doesnt do that already?). |