From: John Corliss on
dadiOH wrote:
> John Corliss wrote:
>
>> XXCopy used to create a functional backup for me when I was using
>> ME. It doesn't with XP though. The reason it doesn't is the same as
>> the reason that Replicator doesn't - neither can copy system files
>> that are in use.
>
> Gotta love the way MS protects us from ourselves...:(
> ____________
>
>>> I see nothing that would preclude passing on my old copy of the
>>> program; assuming that is the case, I would be pleased to send you
>>> a copy if you wish...just let me know via email (see address in
>>> "reply to sender").
>> Thanks for the offer, but I'm almost positive that an older version
>> of
>> the program wouldn't be able to temporarily unlock XP's system
>> files for copying.
>
> Well, if it doesn't, someone will/should write one. If necessary, all
> they need do is access the drives without the presence of an OS.
> Which means they'd have to write their own disk and monitor i/o
> routines. A "mini-DOS". A nuisance but not an impossibility.

Well, this is a good point. Of course, then there's the NTFS file system
to contend with on most XP computers.

What I'd like to see though, is something like XXClone but freeware.

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From: John Corliss on
badgolferman wrote:
> John Corliss wrote:
>>
>> No preaching to me about how to back up my $#!%?%! data, PLEASE!
>
> As you have realized by now Karen's Replicator is not a cloning
> program, just a file backup program. It does that job well and is easy
> to use.

This is true. It's kind of like a really nice graphical version of XXCopy.

> Cloning programs work nicely for what they are designed for but I am
> starting to use them less and less. I use Karen's to backup the data
> files I want to keep, ERUNT for emergency registry restores, and resign
> myself to reinstallation of OS and applications.

This is exactly the situation I find myself in currently.

> I do have a cloned backup of the original installation just in case
> I decide to use that.

Not a bad idea at all, that. A real time saver. Thanks!

> My reasoning is based on several factors that make sense to me only, I
> suppose. My OS gets bloated over time and their are programs in there
> I don't use anymore. Whatever corrupted the OS in the first place to
> force a reinstallation is probably still residing in the latest clone,
> especially if all I do is incremental backups. My OS is much speedier
> and leaner when starting from scratch.

I agree, that's always been my observation too. However, the problem at
this point is that with each iteration of Windows, the tweaks necessary
to enable me to use the OS comfortably become more and more esoteric,
and difficult to implement. With some of the tweaks, I was in a hurry
and forgot to document them.* A fresh reinstall would mean the
frustration of encountering the multitudinous limitations of XP anew.

Also, in the event of a hard drive failure, I may be involved in a huge
project (as was the situation last time) where taking the time out to do
a fresh reinstall simply isn't practical.

*I have a special folder named "Tips, notes and manuals" on my drive and
the following is what I have to date:

"C:\My Documents\TIPS_N~1\WINDOWS\XP"

About the rmdir command in XP.txt
Clear the Paging File at shutdown.htm
Computer cycle theft.wpd
Descriptions of Services.htm
Descriptions of Services.rtf
Disable NetBIOS and LMHOSTS Lookup.txt
Disable port 445.txt
Disable prefetching.txt
Disable themes.txt
Disable unneeded services in XP Home SP2.htm
Disable WMI logging.txt
Disable zip folders.txt
Hardening XP.htm
Kerio alert during dotnet 3 install.jpg
Key Windows XP Executables.wpd
Location of shell icon cache in XP.txt
Make Explorer open where you want and in 2 panes.txt
Manually resetting AUTOCHK.txt
Microsoft's description of dotnet.eml
Microsoft's Product Activation FAQ.htm
Original services settings.jpg
Port 445 information.rtf
Registry info for Empty Temp Folders' index_dat batch file.txt
Reinstall XP from scratch.wpd
Remove and reinstall Hyperterminal.txt
Remove ghost folders.zip
Remove hiberfil_sys.txt
Remove Messenger.rtf
Remove My Network Places in Explorer.txt
Remove Netmeeting.txt
Remove Outlook Express.txt
Remove the Shared Documents folder.txt
Remove the Sharing tab from folder properties.txt
Remove WMI (and description of it).txt
Run locations in registry.txt
Shutdown speed tips.rtf
Speed up XP's boot time.htm
Stolen processing cycles.wpd
Suggestions for improvements to Windows.txt
Synchronizing your computer's time with a server.txt
TweakingCompanion_3.3.pdf
Using eudcedit.exe.htm
View the 'System Volume Information' folder.wpd
Windows XP Directory Structures.wpd
Windows XP Distribution CD folders.wpd
winupdate info.txt
Xpsucks.wpd

> Now when I was a system administrator I would keep several cloned
> copies of the W2K3 Servers in addition to the RAID systems also within
> them that were supposed to prevent data loss, in addition to file
> backups to remote servers. That was a different situation where I had
> to ensure no loss of data and had to have insurance to restore stuff
> quickly.

Wish I had the money to be able to afford the hardware for such a scheme.

Oh well, I think this thread is coming up with some really good ideas
and I look forward to its continuation.

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From: John Corliss on
dadiOH wrote:
> dadiOH wrote:
>> John Corliss wrote:
>>
>>> XXCopy used to create a functional backup for me when I was using
>>> ME. It doesn't with XP though. The reason it doesn't is the same as
>>> the reason that Replicator doesn't - neither can copy system files
>>> that are in use.
>> Gotta love the way MS protects us from ourselves...:(
>> ____________
>>
>>>> I see nothing that would preclude passing on my old copy of the
>>>> program; assuming that is the case, I would be pleased to send you
>>>> a copy if you wish...just let me know via email (see address in
>>>> "reply to sender").
>>> Thanks for the offer, but I'm almost positive that an older version
>>> of
>>> the program wouldn't be able to temporarily unlock XP's system
>>> files for copying.
>> Well, if it doesn't, someone will/should write one. If necessary,
>> all they need do is access the drives without the presence of an OS.
>> Which means they'd have to write their own disk and monitor i/o
>> routines. A "mini-DOS". A nuisance but not an impossibility.
>
> After writing the above, a thought struck me: I wonder if a hot (CD
> bootable) distro of Linux could be used. Just mulling....

Hard to get Linux to read and write to NTFS.

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From: ms on
John Corliss <jcorliss(a)fake.invalid> wrote in
news:13c8mfbc199v89f(a)corp.supernews.com:

> badgolferman wrote:
>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>
>>> No preaching to me about how to back up my $#!%?%! data, PLEASE!
>>
>> As you have realized by now Karen's Replicator is not a cloning
>> program, just a file backup program. It does that job well and is
>> easy to use.
>
> This is true. It's kind of like a really nice graphical version of
> XXCopy.
>
>> Cloning programs work nicely for what they are designed for but I am
>> starting to use them less and less. I use Karen's to backup the data
>> files I want to keep, ERUNT for emergency registry restores, and
>> resign myself to reinstallation of OS and applications.
>
> This is exactly the situation I find myself in currently.
>
>> I do have a cloned backup of the original installation just in case
>> I decide to use that.
>
> Not a bad idea at all, that. A real time saver. Thanks!
>
>> My reasoning is based on several factors that make sense to me only,
>> I suppose. My OS gets bloated over time and their are programs in
>> there I don't use anymore. Whatever corrupted the OS in the first
>> place to force a reinstallation is probably still residing in the
>> latest clone, especially if all I do is incremental backups. My OS
>> is much speedier and leaner when starting from scratch.
>
> I agree, that's always been my observation too. However, the problem
> at this point is that with each iteration of Windows, the tweaks
> necessary to enable me to use the OS comfortably become more and more
> esoteric, and difficult to implement. With some of the tweaks, I was
> in a hurry and forgot to document them.* A fresh reinstall would mean
> the frustration of encountering the multitudinous limitations of XP
> anew.
>
> Also, in the event of a hard drive failure, I may be involved in a
> huge project (as was the situation last time) where taking the time
> out to do a fresh reinstall simply isn't practical.
>
> *I have a special folder named "Tips, notes and manuals" on my drive
> and the following is what I have to date:
>
> "C:\My Documents\TIPS_N~1\WINDOWS\XP"
>
> About the rmdir command in XP.txt
> Clear the Paging File at shutdown.htm
> Computer cycle theft.wpd
> Descriptions of Services.htm
> Descriptions of Services.rtf
> Disable NetBIOS and LMHOSTS Lookup.txt
> Disable port 445.txt
snip

Good info, I saved it if I ever get into an XP machine. My present W2K is
trouble-free (so far).

Mike Sa
From: Klaatu on
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:09:11 GMT, John Corliss posted to alt.comp.freeware:

> Hard to get Linux to read and write to NTFS.

I don't know that that's the case any more. I'm pretty sure that when I was
trying out SimplyMEPIS 6.5 (based on Ubuntu, IIRC) a while back for a few
weeks it didn't have any problems both reading from and writing to my NTFS
drives.

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