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From: paparios on 15 Jun 2010 12:09 On 15 jun, 11:31, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, papar...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > I would trust more on the 5654 books on Amazon that teach relativity. > > Among them: > > > -General Relativity by Robert M. Wald > > -Spacetime and Geometry: An Introduction to General Relativity by Sean > > M. Carroll > > -Gravitation (Physics Series) by Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne, > > John Archibald Wheeler, and John Wheeler > > -General Relativity from A to B by Robert Geroch > > -Six Not-So-Easy Pieces: Einstein's Relativity, Symmetry, And Space- > > Time by Richard P. Feynman > > -Exploring Black Holes: Introduction to General Relativity by Edwin F. > > Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler > > -The Classical Theory of Fields, Fourth Edition: Volume 2 (Course of > > Theoretical Physics Series) by L. D. Landau and E.M. Lifshitz > > > Miguel Rios > > Among my list of "doubter" books (see below) is actully one by Einstein > himself... > > You have posted this very same list several times now. Don't you think one time would have been enough? You are then looking dangerously similar to mpc755, which is not a good thing. > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > Dialog About Objections Against the Theory of Relativity > by Albert Einstein (Paperback - Nov. 12, 2009) > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > What makes you think that book is a "doubter" book? Have you ever read it? Einstein wrote many essays to explain his theories to layman people. In that essay he uses the well known Galileo technique of a conversation between a relativist (Einstein himself) and a critic (Galileo used Simplicio and Salviati). Of course, the purpose of the essay is to support Einstein's work, not to attack it. Miguel Rios
From: Androcles on 15 Jun 2010 12:15 <paparios(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:c08a3ed1-1fd4-461d-a712-573db0e521bc(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com... | On 15 jun, 11:31, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: | > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, papar...(a)gmail.com wrote: | | > | > > I would trust more on the 5654 books on Amazon that teach relativity. | > > Among them: | > | > > -General Relativity by Robert M. Wald | > > -Spacetime and Geometry: An Introduction to General Relativity by Sean | > > M. Carroll | > > -Gravitation (Physics Series) by Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne, | > > John Archibald Wheeler, and John Wheeler | > > -General Relativity from A to B by Robert Geroch | > > -Six Not-So-Easy Pieces: Einstein's Relativity, Symmetry, And Space- | > > Time by Richard P. Feynman | > > -Exploring Black Holes: Introduction to General Relativity by Edwin F. | > > Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler | > > -The Classical Theory of Fields, Fourth Edition: Volume 2 (Course of | > > Theoretical Physics Series) by L. D. Landau and E.M. Lifshitz | > | > > Miguel Rios | > | > Among my list of "doubter" books (see below) is actully one by Einstein | > himself... | > | > | | You have posted this very same list several times now. Don't you think | one time would have been enough? | You are then looking dangerously similar to mpc755, which is not a | good thing. | | > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX | > | > Dialog About Objections Against the Theory of Relativity | > by Albert Einstein (Paperback - Nov. 12, 2009) | > | > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX | > | | What makes you think that book is a "doubter" book? Have you ever read | it? | | Einstein wrote many essays to explain his theories to layman people. | In that essay he uses the well known Galileo technique of a | conversation between a relativist (Einstein himself) and a critic | (Galileo used Simplicio and Salviati). Of course, the purpose of the | essay is to support Einstein's work, not to attack it. | | Miguel Rios ============================================= You would know, Simplicio. You like to count books that agree with your prejudices, right?
From: Me, ...again! on 15 Jun 2010 17:29 On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, paparios(a)gmail.com wrote: > On 15 jun, 11:31, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, papar...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> >>> I would trust more on the 5654 books on Amazon that teach relativity. >>> Among them: >> >>> -General Relativity by Robert M. Wald >>> -Spacetime and Geometry: An Introduction to General Relativity by Sean >>> M. Carroll >>> -Gravitation (Physics Series) by Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne, >>> John Archibald Wheeler, and John Wheeler >>> -General Relativity from A to B by Robert Geroch >>> -Six Not-So-Easy Pieces: Einstein's Relativity, Symmetry, And Space- >>> Time by Richard P. Feynman >>> -Exploring Black Holes: Introduction to General Relativity by Edwin F. >>> Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler >>> -The Classical Theory of Fields, Fourth Edition: Volume 2 (Course of >>> Theoretical Physics Series) by L. D. Landau and E.M. Lifshitz >> >>> Miguel Rios >> >> Among my list of "doubter" books (see below) is actully one by Einstein >> himself... >> >> > > You have posted this very same list several times now. Don't you think > one time would have been enough? Oh, not necessarily. A lot of people just "blow off" what they don't like and getting a donkey to pay attention sometimes needs a whack on the head with a two by four. > You are then looking dangerously similar to mpc755, which is not a > good thing. See below.... >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >> >> Dialog About Objections Against the Theory of Relativity >> by Albert Einstein (Paperback - Nov. 12, 2009) >> >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >> > > What makes you think that book is a "doubter" book? Have you ever read > it? I gather from the title that Einstein, himself, is discussing the "objections against the theory of relativity" and it would be important to see what he, Einstein, sees as "objections" and how he handles them. > Einstein wrote many essays to explain his theories to layman people. > In that essay he uses the well known Galileo technique of a > conversation between a relativist (Einstein himself) and a critic > (Galileo used Simplicio and Salviati). Of course, the purpose of the > essay is to support Einstein's work, not to attack it. At many points in my life I have had the beneficial opportunity to observe and listen to people much more knowlegeable than myself debate into deep detail with each other and observe that _very often_ neither side is able to convince the other who is right or wrong. However, _sometimes_ much additional information comes out and misunderstandings are cleared up. As a matter of (real) fact -- and I cited two examples: "cold fusion" (~decade ago) and "polywater" (1960s) where there was very intense controversy for some years before "confusion" was cleared up. As a matter of additional (real) fact: for a very long time it was widely considered, dogmatically, that reactive halogens would not react with noble gases. All until one day a guy just decided to try it and without much dificulty brought into existence a new branch of chemistry. I'd like to keep an open mind on such questions. You are welcome to join the crowd which says "its a done deal." > Miguel Rios >
From: mpc755 on 15 Jun 2010 19:42 On Jun 15, 12:09 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 15 jun, 11:31, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, papar...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > I would trust more on the 5654 books on Amazon that teach relativity. > > > Among them: > > > > -General Relativity by Robert M. Wald > > > -Spacetime and Geometry: An Introduction to General Relativity by Sean > > > M. Carroll > > > -Gravitation (Physics Series) by Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne, > > > John Archibald Wheeler, and John Wheeler > > > -General Relativity from A to B by Robert Geroch > > > -Six Not-So-Easy Pieces: Einstein's Relativity, Symmetry, And Space- > > > Time by Richard P. Feynman > > > -Exploring Black Holes: Introduction to General Relativity by Edwin F.. > > > Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler > > > -The Classical Theory of Fields, Fourth Edition: Volume 2 (Course of > > > Theoretical Physics Series) by L. D. Landau and E.M. Lifshitz > > > > Miguel Rios > > > Among my list of "doubter" books (see below) is actully one by Einstein > > himself... > > You have posted this very same list several times now. Don't you think > one time would have been enough? > You are then looking dangerously similar to mpc755, which is not a > good thing. > The slits are the length the C-60 molecule travels in one year. A C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). After 6 months detectors are placed at the exits to the slits. A C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). After 6 months detectors are placed at the exits to the slits and 3 months later the detectors are removed. Perform the experiment above and every time the detectors are left at the exits the C-60 molecule is detected exiting a single slit. When the detectors are placed and removed and the experiment is performed over and over again the non-detected C-60 molecules create an interference pattern. Explain what occurs physically in nature to cause this behavior. Does the C-60 molecule enter one slit or multiple slits depending upon there being detectors at the exits to the slits a year into the future? Of course not. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. The aether wave enters and exits multiple slits. The aether wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the aether wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference. You do realize your inability to answer the above thought experiment is evidence Aether Displacement is more correct than whatever nonsense you choose to believe in which does not allow you to explain what occurs physically in nature, correct? The above too difficult for you? How about explaining what occurs physically in nature to cause the Casimir Effect. And if you are going to require 'virtual' particles then describe how a virtual particle exists out of nothing. Can't explain that either, can you? Each of the plates in the Casimir Effect displaces the aether past the outside of the other plate. The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. The 'displacing back' is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the matter. The pressure exerted by the displaced aether which exists outside of the plates forces the plates together. You have no idea what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment or in the Casimir Effect. Enjoy your ignorance.
From: paparios on 15 Jun 2010 21:58
On 15 jun, 17:29, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, papar...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > >> Dialog About Objections Against the Theory of Relativity > >> by Albert Einstein (Paperback - Nov. 12, 2009) > > >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > > What makes you think that book is a "doubter" book? Have you ever read > > it? > > I gather from the title that Einstein, himself, is discussing the > "objections against the theory of relativity" and it would be important to > see what he, Einstein, sees as "objections" and how he handles them. > Well, it is clearly not enough to just read the title and then proceed to get all kind of conclusions, without even try to read the essay who is everywhere in the internet. For instance see http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dialog_about_Objections_against_the_Theory_of_Relativity Miguel Rios |