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From: Edward J. Shornock on 31 Jan 2010 08:10
On 30.01.2010 20:57, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Nuno Magalhães<nunomagalhaes(a)eu.ipp.pt> writes:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca
>> <Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be> wrote:
>>> I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two
>>> computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried
>>> with the up-to-date Firefox.
>>
>> I have this one:
>> ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8
>> running Sid on amd64.
> Iceweasel gives me, amongst the add-ons:
> ==
> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100

Is that possibly gnash? Gnash IIRC still doesn't fully support the
features utilised by youtube.

Have you installed the flash plugin from aptitude/synaptic/apt? If so,
what do you receive from

dpkg -l '*flash*' '*gnash*'

[snip]



> Then, some unuseful stuff:
>
> ==
> Loading stream: http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=cY_KrB8Mepg&t=vjVQa1PpcFNC0_Vmf7Tgh8pq2tVgZTgBGRuQEA1S28M=&el=detailpage&ps=&fmt=5&asv=2&noflv=1
> Loading stream: http://v7.cache2.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?ip=0.0.0.0&sparams=id%2Cexpire%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Calgorithm%2Cburst%2Cfactor&fexp=903202&algorithm=throttle-factor&itag=5&ipbits=0&burst=40&sver=3&expire=1264899600&key=yt1&signature=3C09C806BB0A3FCC9CF94A95A7429513CCE9898C.D440F68A564E69A814DE2B041DA03CE4972021A1&factor=1.25&id=718fcaac1f0c7a98&redirect_counter=1
> Loading stream: http://video-stats.video.google.com/s?ns=yt&docid=cY_KrB8Mepg&hl=en_US&cr=US&el=detailpage&fexp=903202&vid=aqSUfBzQpzyLVV7WYJF3KaH1uTg5Arf7C&csipt=watch&fmt=5&md=1&st=0.067&w=640&plid=AAR-ZjxkLeKATowr&vw=320&fv=WIN%209%2C0%2C100%2C0&sd=B4A7DD227MM&et=0.067&rt=2.8&len=254.4&bc=231338&vh=240&h=360
> ==

Actually, I think this is quite useful in this case; the standard
non-free plugin from Adobe doesn't return any output for me.

> Once I have clicked, I can hear sound, and sometimes see an image from
> the flash being played, but nothing more. The whole Iceweasel becomes
> unresponsive, and I am obliged to kill the process. If I do not kill
> it, it begins to stall completely, and freezes.
>
> Any idea?


Check both PCs (about:plugins) and see if the flash plugins differ as I
suspect they do. On youtube you'll get the best support from the
'official' flash plugin.

OR if you have greasemonkey installed, you can use
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/63509 and view the videos using
mplayer or VLC. I've had the best luck with the greasemonkey script and
the following settings

# ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf
vo=gl
cachesize=512
cache-percent=5
profile=plugin


# ~/.mplayer/config
[plugin]
autosync=0
mc=0
correct-pts=yes


Hope this helps,

Edward J. Shornock


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From: Merciadri Luca on 31 Jan 2010 10:20
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"Edward J. Shornock" <ed.shornock(a)gmail.com> writes:

> On 30.01.2010 20:57, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> Nuno Magalhães<nunomagalhaes(a)eu.ipp.pt> writes:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca
>>> <Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be> wrote:
>>>> I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two
>>>> computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried
>>>> with the up-to-date Firefox.
>>>
>>> I have this one:
>>> ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8
>>> running Sid on amd64.
>> Iceweasel gives me, amongst the add-ons:
>> ==
>> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100
>
> Is that possibly gnash? Gnash IIRC still doesn't fully support the
> features utilised by youtube.
>
> Have you installed the flash plugin from aptitude/synaptic/apt? If so,
> what do you receive from
>
> dpkg -l '*flash*' '*gnash*'
>
> [snip]
>
>> Then, some unuseful stuff:
>>
>> ==
>> Loading stream: http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=cY_KrB8Mepg&t=vjVQa1PpcFNC0_Vmf7Tgh8pq2tVgZTgBGRuQEA1S28M=&el=detailpage&ps=&fmt=5&asv=2&noflv=1
>> Loading stream: http://v7.cache2.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?ip=0.0.0.0&sparams=id%2Cexpire%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Calgorithm%2Cburst%2Cfactor&fexp=903202&algorithm=throttle-factor&itag=5&ipbits=0&burst=40&sver=3&expire=1264899600&key=yt1&signature=3C09C806BB0A3FCC9CF94A95A7429513CCE9898C.D440F68A564E69A814DE2B041DA03CE4972021A1&factor=1.25&id=718fcaac1f0c7a98&redirect_counter=1
>> Loading stream: http://video-stats.video.google.com/s?ns=yt&docid=cY_KrB8Mepg&hl=en_US&cr=US&el=detailpage&fexp=903202&vid=aqSUfBzQpzyLVV7WYJF3KaH1uTg5Arf7C&csipt=watch&fmt=5&md=1&st=0.067&w=640&plid=AAR-ZjxkLeKATowr&vw=320&fv=WIN%209%2C0%2C100%2C0&sd=B4A7DD227MM&et=0.067&rt=2.8&len=254.4&bc=231338&vh=240&h=360
>> ==
>
> Actually, I think this is quite useful in this case; the standard
> non-free plugin from Adobe doesn't return any output for me.
That is however the one I installed! (Just from Adobe's website.)
>
>> Once I have clicked, I can hear sound, and sometimes see an image from
>> the flash being played, but nothing more. The whole Iceweasel becomes
>> unresponsive, and I am obliged to kill the process. If I do not kill
>> it, it begins to stall completely, and freezes.
>>
>> Any idea?
>
> Check both PCs (about:plugins) and see if the flash plugins differ as
> I suspect they do. On youtube you'll get the best support from the
> official' flash plugin.
The plugins are exactly the same, except that the computer where it
works has also `Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22' together with `Shockwave
Flash 9.0 r100,' where the computer which Youtube does not work on has
only `Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100.'

> OR if you have greasemonkey installed, you can use
> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/63509 and view the videos using
> mplayer or VLC. I've had the best luck with the greasemonkey script
> and the following settings
>
> # ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf
> vo=gl
> cachesize=512
> cache-percent=5
> profile=plugin
>
> # ~/.mplayer/config
> [plugin]
> autosync=0
> mc=0
> correct-pts=yes
I do not have it installed, but, if it is really needed, I shall
install it, and use your tips.

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From: Angus Hedger on 31 Jan 2010 10:40
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Merciadri Luca <
Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be> wrote:

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> "Edward J. Shornock" <ed.shornock(a)gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On 30.01.2010 20:57, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> >> Nuno Magalhães<nunomagalhaes(a)eu.ipp.pt> writes:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca
> >>> <Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be> wrote:
> >>>> I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two
> >>>> computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried
> >>>> with the up-to-date Firefox.
> >>>
> >>> I have this one:
> >>> ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8
> >>> running Sid on amd64.
> >> Iceweasel gives me, amongst the add-ons:
> >> ==
> >> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100
> >
> > Is that possibly gnash? Gnash IIRC still doesn't fully support the
> > features utilised by youtube.
> >
> > Have you installed the flash plugin from aptitude/synaptic/apt? If so,
> > what do you receive from
> >
> > dpkg -l '*flash*' '*gnash*'
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >> Then, some unuseful stuff:
> >>
> >> ==
> >> Loading stream:
> http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=cY_KrB8Mepg&t=vjVQa1PpcFNC0_Vmf7Tgh8pq2tVgZTgBGRuQEA1S28M=&el=detailpage&ps=&fmt=5&asv=2&noflv=1
> >> Loading stream:
> http://v7.cache2.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?ip=0.0.0.0&sparams=id%2Cexpire%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Calgorithm%2Cburst%2Cfactor&fexp=903202&algorithm=throttle-factor&itag=5&ipbits=0&burst=40&sver=3&expire=1264899600&key=yt1&signature=3C09C806BB0A3FCC9CF94A95A7429513CCE9898C.D440F68A564E69A814DE2B041DA03CE4972021A1&factor=1.25&id=718fcaac1f0c7a98&redirect_counter=1
> >> Loading stream:
> http://video-stats.video.google.com/s?ns=yt&docid=cY_KrB8Mepg&hl=en_US&cr=US&el=detailpage&fexp=903202&vid=aqSUfBzQpzyLVV7WYJF3KaH1uTg5Arf7C&csipt=watch&fmt=5&md=1&st=0.067&w=640&plid=AAR-ZjxkLeKATowr&vw=320&fv=WIN%209%2C0%2C100%2C0&sd=B4A7DD227MM&et=0.067&rt=2.8&len=254.4&bc=231338&vh=240&h=360
> >> ==
> >
> > Actually, I think this is quite useful in this case; the standard
> > non-free plugin from Adobe doesn't return any output for me.
> That is however the one I installed! (Just from Adobe's website.)
> >
> >> Once I have clicked, I can hear sound, and sometimes see an image from
> >> the flash being played, but nothing more. The whole Iceweasel becomes
> >> unresponsive, and I am obliged to kill the process. If I do not kill
> >> it, it begins to stall completely, and freezes.
> >>
> >> Any idea?
> >
> > Check both PCs (about:plugins) and see if the flash plugins differ as
> > I suspect they do. On youtube you'll get the best support from the
> > official' flash plugin.
> The plugins are exactly the same, except that the computer where it
> works has also `Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22' together with `Shockwave
> Flash 9.0 r100,' where the computer which Youtube does not work on has
> only `Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100.'
>
> > OR if you have greasemonkey installed, you can use
> > http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/63509 and view the videos using
> > mplayer or VLC. I've had the best luck with the greasemonkey script
> > and the following settings
> >
> > # ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf
> > vo=gl
> > cachesize=512
> > cache-percent=5
> > profile=plugin
> >
> > # ~/.mplayer/config
> > [plugin]
> > autosync=0
> > mc=0
> > correct-pts=yes
> I do not have it installed, but, if it is really needed, I shall
> install it, and use your tips.

[snip]

Hello,

I think that is your problem, you-tube only really works well under flash
v10

Instructions here will get you up and running with v10 and that *should* fix
your problems

http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Debian5.0.27Lenny.27.3AFlashPlayer10

Regards,

Angus.
From: Merciadri Luca on 31 Jan 2010 11:20
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Merciadri Luca <Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be> writes:

> "Edward J. Shornock" <ed.shornock(a)gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 30.01.2010 20:57, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>>> Nuno Magalhães<nunomagalhaes(a)eu.ipp.pt> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca
>>>> <Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be> wrote:
>>>>> I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two
>>>>> computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried
>>>>> with the up-to-date Firefox.
>>>>
>>>> I have this one:
>>>> ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8
>>>> running Sid on amd64.
>>> Iceweasel gives me, amongst the add-ons:
>>> ==
>>> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100
>>
>> Is that possibly gnash? Gnash IIRC still doesn't fully support the
>> features utilised by youtube.
>>
>> Have you installed the flash plugin from aptitude/synaptic/apt? If so,
>> what do you receive from
>>
>> dpkg -l '*flash*' '*gnash*'
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Then, some unuseful stuff:
>>>
>>> ==
>>> Loading stream: http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=cY_KrB8Mepg&t=vjVQa1PpcFNC0_Vmf7Tgh8pq2tVgZTgBGRuQEA1S28M=&el=detailpage&ps=&fmt=5&asv=2&noflv=1
>>> Loading stream: http://v7.cache2.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?ip=0.0.0.0&sparams=id%2Cexpire%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Calgorithm%2Cburst%2Cfactor&fexp=903202&algorithm=throttle-factor&itag=5&ipbits=0&burst=40&sver=3&expire=1264899600&key=yt1&signature=3C09C806BB0A3FCC9CF94A95A7429513CCE9898C.D440F68A564E69A814DE2B041DA03CE4972021A1&factor=1.25&id=718fcaac1f0c7a98&redirect_counter=1
>>> Loading stream: http://video-stats.video.google.com/s?ns=yt&docid=cY_KrB8Mepg&hl=en_US&cr=US&el=detailpage&fexp=903202&vid=aqSUfBzQpzyLVV7WYJF3KaH1uTg5Arf7C&csipt=watch&fmt=5&md=1&st=0.067&w=640&plid=AAR-ZjxkLeKATowr&vw=320&fv=WIN%209%2C0%2C100%2C0&sd=B4A7DD227MM&et=0.067&rt=2.8&len=254.4&bc=231338&vh=240&h=360
>>> ==
>>
>> Actually, I think this is quite useful in this case; the standard
>> non-free plugin from Adobe doesn't return any output for me.
> That is however the one I installed! (Just from Adobe's website.)
>>
>>> Once I have clicked, I can hear sound, and sometimes see an image from
>>> the flash being played, but nothing more. The whole Iceweasel becomes
>>> unresponsive, and I am obliged to kill the process. If I do not kill
>>> it, it begins to stall completely, and freezes.
>>>
>>> Any idea?
>>
>> Check both PCs (about:plugins) and see if the flash plugins differ as
>> I suspect they do. On youtube you'll get the best support from the
>> official' flash plugin.
> The plugins are exactly the same, except that the computer where it
> works has also `Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22' together with `Shockwave
> Flash 9.0 r100,' where the computer which Youtube does not work on has
> only `Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100.'
>
>> OR if you have greasemonkey installed, you can use
>> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/63509 and view the videos using
>> mplayer or VLC. I've had the best luck with the greasemonkey script
>> and the following settings
>>
>> # ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf
>> vo=gl
>> cachesize=512
>> cache-percent=5
>> profile=plugin
>>
>> # ~/.mplayer/config
>> [plugin]
>> autosync=0
>> mc=0
>> correct-pts=yes
> I do not have it installed, but, if it is really needed, I shall
> install it, and use your tips.
Okay, I have solved the problem.

Angus Hedger sent me an e-mail with a pointer to
http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Debian5.0.27Lenny.27.3AFlashPlayer10
but I did not see his e-mail directly. I tried something by myself
which was actually the same as what he proposed me to do. Funny. Here
is the story:

1. Installing the last Flash Player from the `genuine' website,
i.e. either from a .tar.gz (which only contains a .so file: strange,
isn't it? Last versions were not containing only such a file, I think)
or from a .rpm is not a good idea.

I installed the rpm, but the add-on was actually not
recognized at all by FF (and thus Iceweasel). There is a difference
between flashplugin-nonfree (which is in the backports) and the flash
which is installed with Adobe's website! The Flash which is installed
thanks to the file which you download on Adobe's website is _not_
contained in a package such as `flashplugin-nonfree.' FF and Iceweasel
seem to look for nothing but flashplugin-nonfree. Consequently, FF and
Iceweasel never find the Flash you install, once it has been
downloaded and installed thanks to Adobe's website. However, this
solution worked on the computer where Flash was already working at the
beginning...

2. I firstly looked thoroughly in packages.debian.org, where the
backports give flashplugin-nonfree. I gave a try, and installing it
worked perfectly. Okay, it is listed as only `Shockwave Flash
10.0 r42' in the add-ons of Iceweasel (and consequently FF). This is
nice, and, on Youtube, and now works perfectly!

3. Youtube apparently uses the functionalities of the most recent
versions of Flash. Consequently, every Flash was working on every
website, except on Youtube, where videos where hanging the whole
browser, because the installed version (9.0) was not supporting some stuff
which was actually asked by Youtube: it was too old.

4. I was happy to see that it worked, and Angus' e-mail confirmed my
thoughts, even if I read it just after having solved the problem:

==
I think that is your problem, you-tube only really works well under flash v10

Instructions here will get you up and running with v10 and that *should* fix your problems

http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Debian5.0.27Lenny.27.3AFlashPlayer10
==

5. Debian's politic sometimes creates problems which could be solved
in a really more straightforward way: if it had been in the deps from
the beginning, I would not have had to do all of this. Okay, this is
`too recent' stuff, but sticking with main packages should not prevent
you from viewing a video on Youtube! (I actually quite never use
Youtube, but I prefer things working everywhere.)

Thanks all.
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From: Camaleón on 31 Jan 2010 11:50
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:55:40 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> 5. Debian's politic sometimes creates problems which could be solved in
> a really more straightforward way: if it had been in the deps from the
> beginning, I would not have had to do all of this. Okay, this is `too
> recent' stuff, but sticking with main packages should not prevent you
> from viewing a video on Youtube! (I actually quite never use Youtube,
> but I prefer things working everywhere.)

It's "vox populi" that Flash Player is closed source and so cannot/
shouldn't be included by default in Debian. You can get it from other
sources.

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