From: Eduardo M KALINOWSKI on
On 01/31/2010 07:10 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> Some animations, multimedia applications or control buttons for
> validating user input data that are embedded in a flash container need to
> call external (x)html code (remote javascript, XML files or action
> script) to be properly managed and displayed so you can interact with
> them.
>

The Flashblock extension is great to allow these flash's to be
displayed, while blocking all the other annoying animated ads.

> Not all the flashes out there are just "movies" :-)
>

But 99% of them are unnecessary, the same effect could be achived with
plain old HTML. The end result might be more boring, but just as
informational/useful.

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From: Camaleón on
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:44:54 -0500, Celejar wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Camaleón <noelamac(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> One is Flash Player, needed as much as hated, but it's a matter of fact
>> that for todays browsing is a "must have".
>
> Disagree. I do most of my browsing in an IW profile without Flash. It's
> easy enough to download YouTube video using youtube-dl or clive /
> cclive, and the only sites that seem to really require Flash are flashy
> game or advertisement sites, which I can generally do without. I don't
> deny that Flash can be useful, but I wouldn't call it a "must have".

Some animations, multimedia applications or control buttons for
validating user input data that are embedded in a flash container need to
call external (x)html code (remote javascript, XML files or action
script) to be properly managed and displayed so you can interact with
them.

Not all the flashes out there are just "movies" :-)

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From: Celejar on
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:10:28 +0000 (UTC)
Camaleón <noelamac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:44:54 -0500, Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Camaleón <noelamac(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> One is Flash Player, needed as much as hated, but it's a matter of fact
> >> that for todays browsing is a "must have".
> >
> > Disagree. I do most of my browsing in an IW profile without Flash. It's
> > easy enough to download YouTube video using youtube-dl or clive /
> > cclive, and the only sites that seem to really require Flash are flashy
> > game or advertisement sites, which I can generally do without. I don't
> > deny that Flash can be useful, but I wouldn't call it a "must have".
>
> Some animations, multimedia applications or control buttons for
> validating user input data that are embedded in a flash container need to
> call external (x)html code (remote javascript, XML files or action
> script) to be properly managed and displayed so you can interact with
> them.
>
> Not all the flashes out there are just "movies" :-)

Understood, but my point stands: I do most of my browsing without Flash
enabled, and don't seem to suffer much for it.

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From: Angus Hedger on
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <
eduardo(a)kalinowski.com.br> wrote:

> On 01/31/2010 07:10 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>
>> Some animations, multimedia applications or control buttons for
>> validating user input data that are embedded in a flash container need to
>> call external (x)html code (remote javascript, XML files or action
>> script) to be properly managed and displayed so you can interact with
>> them.
>>
>>
>
> The Flashblock extension is great to allow these flash's to be displayed,
> while blocking all the other annoying animated ads.
>
>
> Not all the flashes out there are just "movies" :-)
>>
>>
>
> But 99% of them are unnecessary, the same effect could be achived with
> plain old HTML. The end result might be more boring, but just as
> informational/useful.
>
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> Behind every great man, there is a woman -- urging him on.
> -- Harry Mudd, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3
>
> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
> eduardo(a)kalinowski.com.br
>
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Unfortunately to often websites feel more about style over substance, if I
wanted overly shiny jumping and flashing stuff allover my screen I would use
OSX or KDE ;)

And it doesn't help that flash sucks up ram like no ones business.

Regards,

Angus.
From: Merciadri Luca on
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Celejar <celejar(a)gmail.com> writes:

>> One is Flash Player, needed as much as hated, but it's a matter of fact
>> that for todays browsing is a "must have".
>
> Disagree. I do most of my browsing in an IW profile without Flash.
> It's easy enough to download YouTube video using youtube-dl or clive /
> cclive, and the only sites that seem to really require Flash are flashy
> game or advertisement sites, which I can generally do without. I don't
> deny that Flash can be useful, but I wouldn't call it a "must have".
Your config is not one of the most standard, isn't it?

Flash is, for me, not a _must have_ (as explained by the other posts),
but including ``facilities'' for it in Debian would be really
necessary: something like 90% of the users must encounter the same
problem as me, and, despite having a nice documentation, Debian is
here lacking something. (I really like Debian and I would not use
another distro, but this is something from my personal point of view.)

I had also problems for Java and related apps. Is default-jre already
installed with a default install of Debian?

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