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From: Nuno Magalhães on 31 Jan 2010 17:50
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 21:35, Merciadri Luca
<Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be> wrote:

> Why is the default JRE not installed in a normal install of Debian?

Don't know, and you're highjacking a thread about flash.

+1 on the "flash is not necessary but webdevs seem to rely on it too
much" trend. Functional content (like login screens) should not rely
on flash or javascript, but rather stick to the more common basic
pre-existing standards. Too bad most sites don't gracefully degrade.

My irrelevant 2¢

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From: Klistvud on 1 Feb 2010 10:20
Dne, 31. 01. 2010 22:15:05 je Eduardo M KALINOWSKI napisal(a):

> But 99% of them are unnecessary, the same effect could be achived
> with plain old HTML. The end result might be more boring, but just as
> informational/useful.
>

Moreover, I've seldom encountered plain old HTML that was as boring as
certain flash-only splash pages ... a boring HTML page can hardly
compete with a boring flash intro, simply in virtue of the fact that
flash takes 10 times longer to load, thus increasing the "boredom
effect" by a factor of 10.

In all honesty, is there anybody over the mental age of 9 that actually
"enjoys" flash???

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From: Stephen Powell on 1 Feb 2010 11:20
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:16:03 -0500 (EST), Klistvud wrote:
> In all honesty, is there anybody over the mental age of 9 that actually
> "enjoys" flash???

I hate it too. But as with most things in life, it all comes down to
money. The bottom line is, "it sells". Or at least the Madison Avenue
types think that it does. The whole goal of advertising is to get
your attention. And from their point of view, even negative attention is
better than no attention. And from their point of view, making the web
page non-functional without flash is a good thing. That forces you to
view the ads, which increases their revenue.

Web sites make money by selling advertising. The ad agencies love flash.
The more flashy, shiny, and motion-oriented it is, the better it is, from
their point of view. I hate it. But I have no delusions that it is
going to go away. Everybody hates spam. But spam will never go away
either, and for the same reason. Ditto for drugs, prostitution, etc.
As long as there is money to be made with it, someone will do it.

(Sigh.)


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From: Celejar on 1 Feb 2010 16:30
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:12:47 -0500 (EST)
Stephen Powell <zlinuxman(a)wowway.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:16:03 -0500 (EST), Klistvud wrote:
> > In all honesty, is there anybody over the mental age of 9 that actually
> > "enjoys" flash???
>
> I hate it too. But as with most things in life, it all comes down to
> money. The bottom line is, "it sells". Or at least the Madison Avenue
> types think that it does. The whole goal of advertising is to get
> your attention. And from their point of view, even negative attention is
> better than no attention. And from their point of view, making the web
> page non-functional without flash is a good thing. That forces you to
> view the ads, which increases their revenue.

But don't forget that Google, a company for which the selling of
advertising is its raison d'être, has thrived on its signature small,
unobtrusive, text-link ads, rather than huge, annoying, garish Flash
monstrosities.

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