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From: Paul Cartwright on 31 Jan 2010 12:10
On Sun January 31 2010, Camaleón wrote:
> It's "vox populi" that Flash Player is closed source and so cannot/
> shouldn't be included by default in Debian. You can get it from other
> sources.

what about flashplayer-mozilla ?

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From: Camaleón on 31 Jan 2010 12:50
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:05:01 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

> On Sun January 31 2010, Camaleón wrote:
>> It's "vox populi" that Flash Player is closed source and so cannot/
>> shouldn't be included by default in Debian. You can get it from other
>> sources.
>
> what about flashplayer-mozilla ?

You mean the one coming from "debian-multimedia" site? It's quite the
same as Flash Player from Adobe, I guess.

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From: Merciadri Luca on 31 Jan 2010 13:50
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Camaleón <noelamac(a)gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:55:40 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>> 5. Debian's politic sometimes creates problems which could be solved in
>> a really more straightforward way: if it had been in the deps from the
>> beginning, I would not have had to do all of this. Okay, this is `too
>> recent' stuff, but sticking with main packages should not prevent you
>> from viewing a video on Youtube! (I actually quite never use Youtube,
>> but I prefer things working everywhere.)
>
> It's "vox populi" that Flash Player is closed source and so cannot/
> shouldn't be included by default in Debian. You can get it from other
> sources.
Clearly, but it does not make things clearer!

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From: Camaleón on 31 Jan 2010 14:20
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:26:31 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Camaleón writes:
>
>> It's "vox populi" that Flash Player is closed source and so cannot/
>> shouldn't be included by default in Debian. You can get it from other
>> sources.

> Clearly, but it does not make things clearer!

There are some packages that fall in a kind of "limbo".

One is Flash Player, needed as much as hated, but it's a matter of fact
that for todays browsing is a "must have".

The other one is Java JRE. There is also a free implementation for this
package (openJDK) but again, some programs/applications work better (in
some cases, only work) with Sun's Java packages, which are not completely
"free".

And there are also the graphic cards drivers. The free ones cannot fully
satisfy the needs that can arise in some environments where closed ones
are the only alternative. But I better shut up on this matter or I'm
being exposed to be treated as a troll O:-)

So we (users) have to deal with this situations every day.

But Debian has a very extensive documentation for all of the above:

http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
http://wiki.debian.org/Java
http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo

So if in doubt, you can always ask to the list to get more feedback :-)

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From: Celejar on 31 Jan 2010 15:50
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:11:37 +0000 (UTC)
Camaleón <noelamac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

....

> One is Flash Player, needed as much as hated, but it's a matter of fact
> that for todays browsing is a "must have".

Disagree. I do most of my browsing in an IW profile without Flash.
It's easy enough to download YouTube video using youtube-dl or clive /
cclive, and the only sites that seem to really require Flash are flashy
game or advertisement sites, which I can generally do without. I don't
deny that Flash can be useful, but I wouldn't call it a "must have".

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