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From: Jim Thompson on 12 Dec 2009 16:46 On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:37:44 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >JosephKK wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:56:30 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> JosephKK wrote: >>>> On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:51:36 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I see that you understood me well. 58F is too crispy for me to get up >>>> without an emergency. I suggest at least two more cords. And more >>>> pellets. ISTR your place was decently insulated, but the cold snap >>>> has just been extreme. >>> >>> The home is well insulated but the windows aren't. Single pane, albeit >>> thick glass. However, yesterday at the client I found that one of the >>> engineers had just replaced it on his whole house with dual-pane. $30k! >>> Our house has a lot more windows and sliders :-( >>> >>> IOW, there ain't no chance at all to recoup that sort of investment. >> >> I would not make that decision quite so quickly, dual pane low-E can >> make a big difference in HVAC costs. Ask a "Pro" and reduce the >> promised savings 50%. Also insist on documentation on the nature >> and issues of any proposed savings of "rebates". > > >Oh yeah, we will be very careful. It seems there are quite some >"inconsistencies" and wild swings in this business when it comes to >pricing. As for HVAC, we don't use AC much in the summer. It's the wood >stove that has to crank so darn hard in winter because it seems to get >colder every winter. On several of our big windows we have "roll-a-shields", somewhat like I've seen in Europe to close off store fronts at night. http://www.rollashield.com/ Ours, of course, are electric-powered, but you might prefer hand-cranked ;-) We close ours when the sun is on the north side of the house (15' x 15' windows) or, like now, when it's cold at night. Quite effective... the slats are composite layers of aluminum-foam-aluminum. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Help save the environment! Please dispose of socialism properly!
From: Joerg on 12 Dec 2009 16:55 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:37:44 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> JosephKK wrote: >>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:56:30 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:51:36 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I see that you understood me well. 58F is too crispy for me to get up >>>>> without an emergency. I suggest at least two more cords. And more >>>>> pellets. ISTR your place was decently insulated, but the cold snap >>>>> has just been extreme. >>>> The home is well insulated but the windows aren't. Single pane, albeit >>>> thick glass. However, yesterday at the client I found that one of the >>>> engineers had just replaced it on his whole house with dual-pane. $30k! >>>> Our house has a lot more windows and sliders :-( >>>> >>>> IOW, there ain't no chance at all to recoup that sort of investment. >>> I would not make that decision quite so quickly, dual pane low-E can >>> make a big difference in HVAC costs. Ask a "Pro" and reduce the >>> promised savings 50%. Also insist on documentation on the nature >>> and issues of any proposed savings of "rebates". >> >> Oh yeah, we will be very careful. It seems there are quite some >> "inconsistencies" and wild swings in this business when it comes to >> pricing. As for HVAC, we don't use AC much in the summer. It's the wood >> stove that has to crank so darn hard in winter because it seems to get >> colder every winter. > > On several of our big windows we have "roll-a-shields", somewhat like > I've seen in Europe to close off store fronts at night. > > http://www.rollashield.com/ > > Ours, of course, are electric-powered, but you might prefer > hand-cranked ;-) > > We close ours when the sun is on the north side of the house (15' x > 15' windows) or, like now, when it's cold at night. > > Quite effective... the slats are composite layers of > aluminum-foam-aluminum. > We had that in Germany, real heavy duty stuff. However, even people in town can't believe the winds we get up here on this knoll until they've experienced them. Heavy chairs becoming airborne and so on. Would tear this stuff right out of its tracks and then on into the road. Now how does the sun get to the _north_ of your house? Did they move Arizona south of the equator? Habla Espanol por ahora? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jim Thompson on 12 Dec 2009 18:42 On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:55:49 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:37:44 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> JosephKK wrote: >>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:56:30 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:51:36 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I see that you understood me well. 58F is too crispy for me to get up >>>>>> without an emergency. I suggest at least two more cords. And more >>>>>> pellets. ISTR your place was decently insulated, but the cold snap >>>>>> has just been extreme. >>>>> The home is well insulated but the windows aren't. Single pane, albeit >>>>> thick glass. However, yesterday at the client I found that one of the >>>>> engineers had just replaced it on his whole house with dual-pane. $30k! >>>>> Our house has a lot more windows and sliders :-( >>>>> >>>>> IOW, there ain't no chance at all to recoup that sort of investment. >>>> I would not make that decision quite so quickly, dual pane low-E can >>>> make a big difference in HVAC costs. Ask a "Pro" and reduce the >>>> promised savings 50%. Also insist on documentation on the nature >>>> and issues of any proposed savings of "rebates". >>> >>> Oh yeah, we will be very careful. It seems there are quite some >>> "inconsistencies" and wild swings in this business when it comes to >>> pricing. As for HVAC, we don't use AC much in the summer. It's the wood >>> stove that has to crank so darn hard in winter because it seems to get >>> colder every winter. >> >> On several of our big windows we have "roll-a-shields", somewhat like >> I've seen in Europe to close off store fronts at night. >> >> http://www.rollashield.com/ >> >> Ours, of course, are electric-powered, but you might prefer >> hand-cranked ;-) >> >> We close ours when the sun is on the north side of the house (15' x >> 15' windows) or, like now, when it's cold at night. >> >> Quite effective... the slats are composite layers of >> aluminum-foam-aluminum. >> > >We had that in Germany, real heavy duty stuff. However, even people in >town can't believe the winds we get up here on this knoll until they've >experienced them. Heavy chairs becoming airborne and so on. Would tear >this stuff right out of its tracks and then on into the road. The recent microburst that sent the patio furniture careening didn't do anything to the roll-a-shield... I know it was a microburst... it completely flipped over a garbage container _within_ our walled-off garbage container area :-( > >Now how does the sun get to the _north_ of your house? Did they move >Arizona south of the equator? Habla Espanol por ahora? You don't understand summer/winter tilt ?:-) It doesn't get north by much... just enough. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Help save the environment! Please dispose of socialism properly!
From: krw on 12 Dec 2009 19:22 On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:42:43 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: >On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:55:49 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >wrote: > >>Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:37:44 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:56:30 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:51:36 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see that you understood me well. 58F is too crispy for me to get up >>>>>>> without an emergency. I suggest at least two more cords. And more >>>>>>> pellets. ISTR your place was decently insulated, but the cold snap >>>>>>> has just been extreme. >>>>>> The home is well insulated but the windows aren't. Single pane, albeit >>>>>> thick glass. However, yesterday at the client I found that one of the >>>>>> engineers had just replaced it on his whole house with dual-pane. $30k! >>>>>> Our house has a lot more windows and sliders :-( >>>>>> >>>>>> IOW, there ain't no chance at all to recoup that sort of investment. >>>>> I would not make that decision quite so quickly, dual pane low-E can >>>>> make a big difference in HVAC costs. Ask a "Pro" and reduce the >>>>> promised savings 50%. Also insist on documentation on the nature >>>>> and issues of any proposed savings of "rebates". >>>> >>>> Oh yeah, we will be very careful. It seems there are quite some >>>> "inconsistencies" and wild swings in this business when it comes to >>>> pricing. As for HVAC, we don't use AC much in the summer. It's the wood >>>> stove that has to crank so darn hard in winter because it seems to get >>>> colder every winter. >>> >>> On several of our big windows we have "roll-a-shields", somewhat like >>> I've seen in Europe to close off store fronts at night. >>> >>> http://www.rollashield.com/ >>> >>> Ours, of course, are electric-powered, but you might prefer >>> hand-cranked ;-) >>> >>> We close ours when the sun is on the north side of the house (15' x >>> 15' windows) or, like now, when it's cold at night. >>> >>> Quite effective... the slats are composite layers of >>> aluminum-foam-aluminum. >>> >> >>We had that in Germany, real heavy duty stuff. However, even people in >>town can't believe the winds we get up here on this knoll until they've >>experienced them. Heavy chairs becoming airborne and so on. Would tear >>this stuff right out of its tracks and then on into the road. > >The recent microburst that sent the patio furniture careening didn't >do anything to the roll-a-shield... I know it was a microburst... it >completely flipped over a garbage container _within_ our walled-off >garbage container area :-( > >> >>Now how does the sun get to the _north_ of your house? Did they move >>Arizona south of the equator? Habla Espanol por ahora? > >You don't understand summer/winter tilt ?:-) Umm, Phoenix is 33N. The highest latitude where the sun would be overhead (Winter solstice) is 23.5N. >It doesn't get north by much... just enough. If by not much you mean -10degrees. ;-) OTOH, at higher latitudes the summer sun rises/sets quite far to the north of due east/west.
From: Jim Thompson on 12 Dec 2009 19:31
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:22:15 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:42:43 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: > >>On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:55:49 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>wrote: >> >>>Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:37:44 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:56:30 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:51:36 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see that you understood me well. 58F is too crispy for me to get up >>>>>>>> without an emergency. I suggest at least two more cords. And more >>>>>>>> pellets. ISTR your place was decently insulated, but the cold snap >>>>>>>> has just been extreme. >>>>>>> The home is well insulated but the windows aren't. Single pane, albeit >>>>>>> thick glass. However, yesterday at the client I found that one of the >>>>>>> engineers had just replaced it on his whole house with dual-pane. $30k! >>>>>>> Our house has a lot more windows and sliders :-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IOW, there ain't no chance at all to recoup that sort of investment. >>>>>> I would not make that decision quite so quickly, dual pane low-E can >>>>>> make a big difference in HVAC costs. Ask a "Pro" and reduce the >>>>>> promised savings 50%. Also insist on documentation on the nature >>>>>> and issues of any proposed savings of "rebates". >>>>> >>>>> Oh yeah, we will be very careful. It seems there are quite some >>>>> "inconsistencies" and wild swings in this business when it comes to >>>>> pricing. As for HVAC, we don't use AC much in the summer. It's the wood >>>>> stove that has to crank so darn hard in winter because it seems to get >>>>> colder every winter. >>>> >>>> On several of our big windows we have "roll-a-shields", somewhat like >>>> I've seen in Europe to close off store fronts at night. >>>> >>>> http://www.rollashield.com/ >>>> >>>> Ours, of course, are electric-powered, but you might prefer >>>> hand-cranked ;-) >>>> >>>> We close ours when the sun is on the north side of the house (15' x >>>> 15' windows) or, like now, when it's cold at night. >>>> >>>> Quite effective... the slats are composite layers of >>>> aluminum-foam-aluminum. >>>> >>> >>>We had that in Germany, real heavy duty stuff. However, even people in >>>town can't believe the winds we get up here on this knoll until they've >>>experienced them. Heavy chairs becoming airborne and so on. Would tear >>>this stuff right out of its tracks and then on into the road. >> >>The recent microburst that sent the patio furniture careening didn't >>do anything to the roll-a-shield... I know it was a microburst... it >>completely flipped over a garbage container _within_ our walled-off >>garbage container area :-( >> >>> >>>Now how does the sun get to the _north_ of your house? Did they move >>>Arizona south of the equator? Habla Espanol por ahora? >> >>You don't understand summer/winter tilt ?:-) > >Umm, Phoenix is 33N. The highest latitude where the sun would be >overhead (Winter solstice) is 23.5N. > >>It doesn't get north by much... just enough. > >If by not much you mean -10degrees. ;-) > >OTOH, at higher latitudes the summer sun rises/sets quite far to the >north of due east/west. Well, the Sun DOES come in the north-side windows in late afternoon in the summer time. I have to shut the shade to keep algae growth down in the aquarium. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Help save the environment! Please dispose of socialism properly! |