Fluke 87V - any reason not to buy?
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From: Joerg on 6 Dec 2009 16:27 ehsjr wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Palinurus wrote: >> >>> Joerg wrote: >>> >>>> ehsjr wrote: >>>> >>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ehsjr wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My old Fluke has a bleeding LCD, so time to buy a >>>>>>> replacement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any reason(s) not to buy the 87V ? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Fluke is a good company. But last time I opted for a Chinese meter >>>>>> which turned out to be rather precise. Of course, if you need >>>>>> 4-1/2 digits or the ATEX rating you almost have to buy the Fluke. >>>>>> >>>>> >>> - >>> The 87V is a good meter. I work in a metrology shop, and I've >>> seen a lot of them go by. They tend to hold calibration, and will >>> survive a fair amount of abuse, and sometimes that extra digit is >>> necessary. You will occasionally see a 5 1/2 digit handheld, but that >>> last digit is largely bogus, just noise. The main thing that may be >>> urged against the 87V is the price. >> >> >> >> Fluke stuff is good but they better get their hands around the pricing >> issue, and soon. I've got several Chinese meters here that aren't bad >> at all. With scopes it sort of happened already: The Taiwanese DSO >> here in my lab runs circles around similarly priced stuff from Tek. >> >> The only thing I don't like with Chinese meters is the red color of >> the holster. Maybe the politburo mandated they'd have to be red ;-) >> > > I've been very pleased with Chinese meters, but it is exactly > as Dave indicated in his blog. My confidence in the cheaper > meters was based on comparison with the Fluke's readings. When > I needed relatively exact measurements, I'd use the Fluke. > Most of the time, ballpark is good enough. Comparable Chinese > stuff was as accurate as the Fluke, but the confidence was always > with Fluke. In one case I needed to monitor dual Iout & Vout > and single Iin & Vin on a supply design. No need to use > six Flukes! I just had to watch for variation on the output > as input was varied, so the Fluke just became the "calibration > standard" for the other meters. > > That said, when the old Fluke died, it justified buying a new > one - which arrived yesterday. :-) The manual that came with > it is in 15 languages. Fifteen!! Does that mean I need to run > to Berlitz & sign up for lessons before I can figure out all > the features? :-) > Even Asian gear has that now. My Instek scope came with lots of language options for the on-screen menu. With many of them I had trouble finding out what they were because the language setup identifies them in their native character set. The written manual is English-only though. I find it sad when companies print a 2" thick stack knowing that 90% of it will either never be read or thrown away because everyone uses English anyhow. They should give me those trees instead, cuz it's friggin' cold and I can use the firewood :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: JosephKK on 8 Dec 2009 06:13 On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:27:26 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >ehsjr wrote: >> Joerg wrote: >>> Palinurus wrote: >>> >>>> Joerg wrote: >>>> >>>>> ehsjr wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ehsjr wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My old Fluke has a bleeding LCD, so time to buy a >>>>>>>> replacement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any reason(s) not to buy the 87V ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fluke is a good company. But last time I opted for a Chinese meter >>>>>>> which turned out to be rather precise. Of course, if you need >>>>>>> 4-1/2 digits or the ATEX rating you almost have to buy the Fluke. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> - >>>> The 87V is a good meter. I work in a metrology shop, and I've >>>> seen a lot of them go by. They tend to hold calibration, and will >>>> survive a fair amount of abuse, and sometimes that extra digit is >>>> necessary. You will occasionally see a 5 1/2 digit handheld, but that >>>> last digit is largely bogus, just noise. The main thing that may be >>>> urged against the 87V is the price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Fluke stuff is good but they better get their hands around the pricing >>> issue, and soon. I've got several Chinese meters here that aren't bad >>> at all. With scopes it sort of happened already: The Taiwanese DSO >>> here in my lab runs circles around similarly priced stuff from Tek. >>> >>> The only thing I don't like with Chinese meters is the red color of >>> the holster. Maybe the politburo mandated they'd have to be red ;-) >>> >> >> I've been very pleased with Chinese meters, but it is exactly >> as Dave indicated in his blog. My confidence in the cheaper >> meters was based on comparison with the Fluke's readings. When >> I needed relatively exact measurements, I'd use the Fluke. >> Most of the time, ballpark is good enough. Comparable Chinese >> stuff was as accurate as the Fluke, but the confidence was always >> with Fluke. In one case I needed to monitor dual Iout & Vout >> and single Iin & Vin on a supply design. No need to use >> six Flukes! I just had to watch for variation on the output >> as input was varied, so the Fluke just became the "calibration >> standard" for the other meters. >> >> That said, when the old Fluke died, it justified buying a new >> one - which arrived yesterday. :-) The manual that came with >> it is in 15 languages. Fifteen!! Does that mean I need to run >> to Berlitz & sign up for lessons before I can figure out all >> the features? :-) >> > >Even Asian gear has that now. My Instek scope came with lots of language >options for the on-screen menu. With many of them I had trouble finding >out what they were because the language setup identifies them in their >native character set. The written manual is English-only though. I find >it sad when companies print a 2" thick stack knowing that 90% of it will >either never be read or thrown away because everyone uses English >anyhow. They should give me those trees instead, cuz it's friggin' cold >and I can use the firewood :-) I'll second that. Throwing on extra blankies and turning up the thermostat for the last couple of nights. At this rate my energy bills are going to be out of sight this season.
From: Jim Thompson on 8 Dec 2009 09:45 On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:13:54 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:27:26 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >wrote: > [>>> level snip] >>ehsjr wrote: >> >>Even Asian gear has that now. My Instek scope came with lots of language >>options for the on-screen menu. With many of them I had trouble finding >>out what they were because the language setup identifies them in their >>native character set. The written manual is English-only though. I find >>it sad when companies print a 2" thick stack knowing that 90% of it will >>either never be read or thrown away because everyone uses English >>anyhow. They should give me those trees instead, cuz it's friggin' cold >>and I can use the firewood :-) > >I'll second that. Throwing on extra blankies and turning up the >thermostat for the last couple of nights. At this rate my energy >bills are going to be out of sight this season. I finally turned on heat last night. Slept much better ;-) Awoke to a wind-damaged patio... table with glass top, and 4 "captain's" chairs tossed into the grass. Amazingly it appears the glass did not break. Now that the sun is coming up I'll go out and see how bad off it is :-( ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria - Benjamin Franklin
From: Joerg on 8 Dec 2009 11:10 JosephKK wrote: > On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:27:26 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> ehsjr wrote: >>> Joerg wrote: >>>> Palinurus wrote: >>>> >>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ehsjr wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ehsjr wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My old Fluke has a bleeding LCD, so time to buy a >>>>>>>>> replacement. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any reason(s) not to buy the 87V ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fluke is a good company. But last time I opted for a Chinese meter >>>>>>>> which turned out to be rather precise. Of course, if you need >>>>>>>> 4-1/2 digits or the ATEX rating you almost have to buy the Fluke. >>>>>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> The 87V is a good meter. I work in a metrology shop, and I've >>>>> seen a lot of them go by. They tend to hold calibration, and will >>>>> survive a fair amount of abuse, and sometimes that extra digit is >>>>> necessary. You will occasionally see a 5 1/2 digit handheld, but that >>>>> last digit is largely bogus, just noise. The main thing that may be >>>>> urged against the 87V is the price. >>>> >>>> >>>> Fluke stuff is good but they better get their hands around the pricing >>>> issue, and soon. I've got several Chinese meters here that aren't bad >>>> at all. With scopes it sort of happened already: The Taiwanese DSO >>>> here in my lab runs circles around similarly priced stuff from Tek. >>>> >>>> The only thing I don't like with Chinese meters is the red color of >>>> the holster. Maybe the politburo mandated they'd have to be red ;-) >>>> >>> I've been very pleased with Chinese meters, but it is exactly >>> as Dave indicated in his blog. My confidence in the cheaper >>> meters was based on comparison with the Fluke's readings. When >>> I needed relatively exact measurements, I'd use the Fluke. >>> Most of the time, ballpark is good enough. Comparable Chinese >>> stuff was as accurate as the Fluke, but the confidence was always >>> with Fluke. In one case I needed to monitor dual Iout & Vout >>> and single Iin & Vin on a supply design. No need to use >>> six Flukes! I just had to watch for variation on the output >>> as input was varied, so the Fluke just became the "calibration >>> standard" for the other meters. >>> >>> That said, when the old Fluke died, it justified buying a new >>> one - which arrived yesterday. :-) The manual that came with >>> it is in 15 languages. Fifteen!! Does that mean I need to run >>> to Berlitz & sign up for lessons before I can figure out all >>> the features? :-) >>> >> Even Asian gear has that now. My Instek scope came with lots of language >> options for the on-screen menu. With many of them I had trouble finding >> out what they were because the language setup identifies them in their >> native character set. The written manual is English-only though. I find >> it sad when companies print a 2" thick stack knowing that 90% of it will >> either never be read or thrown away because everyone uses English >> anyhow. They should give me those trees instead, cuz it's friggin' cold >> and I can use the firewood :-) > > I'll second that. Throwing on extra blankies and turning up the > thermostat for the last couple of nights. At this rate my energy > bills are going to be out of sight this season. Get a wood stove. Seriously, best investment we ever made in this house. Global "warming" has led us from 2-cord winters (where we got socked with a $709 propane bill for one (!) month and got the wood stove) to 4-cord winters. And I am not sure whether the purchase of 5 cords wouldn't be advised for next winter. Can you imagine what propane heating would cost us this winter? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: krw on 8 Dec 2009 18:49
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:45:35 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: >On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:13:54 -0800, >"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:27:26 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>wrote: >> >[>>> level snip] >>>ehsjr wrote: >>> >>>Even Asian gear has that now. My Instek scope came with lots of language >>>options for the on-screen menu. With many of them I had trouble finding >>>out what they were because the language setup identifies them in their >>>native character set. The written manual is English-only though. I find >>>it sad when companies print a 2" thick stack knowing that 90% of it will >>>either never be read or thrown away because everyone uses English >>>anyhow. They should give me those trees instead, cuz it's friggin' cold >>>and I can use the firewood :-) >> >>I'll second that. Throwing on extra blankies and turning up the >>thermostat for the last couple of nights. At this rate my energy >>bills are going to be out of sight this season. > >I finally turned on heat last night. This year we went directly from AC to HP without a day in between. Since, we've only had the heat off for a day or two. Last year it was two months between AC off and HP on. >Slept much better ;-) I like it cold when I sleep. In VT we'd back the heat off to 58F at night (64F during the day, unless we were home and especially cold). >Awoke to a wind-damaged patio... table with glass top, and 4 >"captain's" chairs tossed into the grass. > >Amazingly it appears the glass did not break. It takes a *lot* to break that stuff. When it does go, watch out! >Now that the sun is coming up I'll go out and see how bad off it is |