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From: George Hammond on 29 Mar 2005 05:01 "stew dean" <stewdean(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1112082641.845302.61360(a)g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > George, > > The problem with appealing to authority, as you do when you attempt to > hide behind your degree, is there are better qualified and career > scientists on this group. > > Stew [Hammond] Yeah... you keep SAYING THAT.... but none of these scientific prima donna's seem to be eager to take issue with this SIMPLE PROOF of the "invisible world of Religion": ======== The "invisible world" of religion========== "Michael Moroney" <moroney(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote in message news:d29n74$4j5$1(a)pcls4.std.com... > "George Hammond" <nowhere1(a)nospam.net> writes: > > >by differences in "picture fusion frequency". A 7 yr old can only > >see 10 frames/sec before it becomes a 'movie'... a 15 year old > >can see 15 individual frames/sec before it fuses into a 'movie'. That's > >33% higher speed... therefore, 1/3 of the world must be INVISIBLE to > >a 7 yr old as compared to a 15 yr old! > > Assuming that statement about viewable frame rate is correct (seems > unlikely), [Hammond] It's a well known result, first discovered by Riedel in 1966 and confirmed by thousands of researchers since. See for instance: http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html where on page 26 we find: "Riedel (1966) demonstrated that the moment shortens as children mature. By this method, which is explained in the next section, he investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to 15 years (15 frames/s). This latter value is consistent with those of average adults (Lehrl and Fischer, 1988)." > that statement about 1/3rd of the world being invisible to a 7 > year old assumes falsely that 1/3rd of events happen at a rate between 10 > and 15 frames per second. [Hammond] WRONG. It demonstrates that the "visual perception" of an adult is 133% faster than a 7 yr old kid, hence: the kid is missing 1/3 of what an adult can see. Since "what the average adult can see" is DE FACTO the "definition of reality", then: "1/3 of reality is INVISIBLE to the kid". It does not take rocket science to reach this conclusion.... a result by the way which is well known to every parent who has to mind and protect children! > > Not only that... it is a fact that no ADULT actually ever reaches full > >growth! (This is known as the 'Secular Trend', and has been known for > >100 yrs). HENCE baseball players, who are more "fully grown" than > >average people, ... must be able to see another 15 or 20% of "reality" > >which is actually INVISIBLE to the average sportsfan like you and me! > > So baseball players are closer to God than ordinary folk? [Hammond] Apparently you have just noticed that baseball stars are worshipped as "gods" in this country, and that Baseball is practically a Religion? Now you know "why"! > > >Brilliant Jillarountown!! ... I never even thought about Baseball! > >Of COURSE... the entire sport is a spectacular proof of the SPOG! > > So they are? Should people be bowing toward Fenway Park instead of > Mecca when they pray? Or is it a long-term thing and we should bow > toward Yankee Stadium instead? Cooperstown? [Hammond] They DO ... by the 10's of millions... or haven't you noticed? > > >TRUE...... absolute fact......... Barry Bonds can actually read the word > >"Wilson" printed on the ball, as it speeds over the plate! > > I take it that television and movies (30 fps & 24 fps respectively) are > completely unwatchable by the demi-god Barry Bonds? [Hammond] No... max adult vision never exceeds 18 fps, which is way, way, below 30 or 24 fps. 30 cps is known as the "critical flicker fusion frequency" and is much, much higher than the "critical picture fusion frequency" which is around 16 fps in the average adult. Research has shown that this is BECAUSE "picture fusion frequency" is related to INTELLIGENCE whereas simple "flicker fusion" is NOT. This parallels simple "refex reaction speed" which is also NOT correlated with intelligence, while "decision speed" IS highly correlated to intelligence. Obviously, since BOTH intelligence and picture fusion frequency increase linearly with age (under 18) they are highly correlated.. and of course both phenomena are caused by the increasing BRAIN GROWTH of the child. > > -- > -Mike ==================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com ==================================== Join COSA church (Church of the Scientific Advent) Send a blank email to COSAchurch(a)hotmail.com and your email address will be added to the COSA discussion list (free, no obligation) ==================================== and please ask your news service to add: alt.sci.relativistic-proof-of-god.moderated ===================================
From: Peter H.M. Brooks on 29 Mar 2005 05:22 George Hammond wrote: > > Yeah... you keep SAYING THAT.... but none of these > adult can see" is DE FACTO the "definition of reality", > then: "1/3 of reality is INVISIBLE to the kid". > It's remarkable how nutters can't avoid giving themselves away by the misuse of capitalisation. In letters to newspapers they find themselves unable to avoid the use of green ink. I think that it is a good thing that we are protected from reading the shite by this revelatory mechanism. I wonder a little how it has come to be. Any suggestions? -- It is an unalterable law that people who claim to care about the human race are utterly indifferent to the sufferings of individuals - Quinten Crisp, Resident Alien * TagZilla 0.057 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org
From: stew dean on 29 Mar 2005 10:33 George Hammond wrote: > "stew dean" <stewdean(a)gmail.com> wrote in > message news:1112082641.845302.61360(a)g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > George, > > > > The problem with appealing to authority, as you do when you attempt to > > hide behind your degree, is there are better qualified and career > > scientists on this group. > > > > Stew > > > [Hammond] > Yeah... you keep SAYING THAT.... but none of these > scientific prima donna's seem to be eager to > take issue with this SIMPLE PROOF of the > "invisible world of Religion" But they have and I have. It's just you don't want to listen. You've confused sensory perception with cognative perception. The rest of you quoted post I've covered several times and summed up above. Stew Dean
From: Michael Moroney on 29 Mar 2005 12:52 "George Hammond" <nowhere1(a)nospam.net> writes: >"Michael Moroney" <moroney(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote >in message news:d29n74$4j5$1(a)pcls4.std.com... >> Assuming that statement about viewable frame rate is correct (seems >> unlikely), >[Hammond] >It's a well known result, first discovered by Riedel in 1966 >and confirmed by thousands of researchers since. See for >instance: http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html Congrats. You found a paper that looks almost as kooky as your own ideas. >> that statement about 1/3rd of the world being invisible to a 7 >> year old assumes falsely that 1/3rd of events happen at a rate between 10 >> and 15 frames per second. >WRONG. > It demonstrates that the "visual perception" of an adult >is 133% faster than a 7 yr old kid, hence: the kid is missing >1/3 of what an adult can see. Again, assuming the above about frame rate is true, the kid is only missing what comes in at between the equivalent of 10 and 15 fps. Everyone can see what's going on at slow speeds, nobody can see what happens at high speeds. And all this is irrelevant (and silly) anyway. Why not go by spectra? I can't "see" ultraviolet, but a honeybee can. A bee can see patterns in flowers that are plain white to us. So what? We can detect such with equipment. Same with high speed. I've seen cool photographs of a bullet fired through 3 balloons. The balloons are in various degrees of popping and the bullet is caught in flight. So what? Can an inanimate object (camera) be sooo close to being God? Silly! >conclusion.... a result by the way which is well familiar >to every parent who has to mind and protect children! As a parent, I can see that a small child can visualize fine - it is interesting and amazing to watch a small mind grow. I see no speed correlation, however. >> So baseball players are closer to God than ordinary folk? >Did you just notice that? Huh? Many of those guys are real jerks. They have awesome physical abilities but I'd hardly classify them as godlike. >> So they are? Should people be bowing toward Fenway Park instead of >> Mecca when they pray? Or is it a long-term thing and we should bow >> toward Yankee Stadium instead? Cooperstown? >They DO ... by the 10's of millions... or haven't you noticed? You missed my point, obviously. >> >TRUE...... absolute fact......... Barry Bonds can actually read the word >> >"Wilson" printed on the ball, as it speeds over the plate! >> >> I take it that television and movies (30 fps & 24 fps respectively) are >> completely unwatchable by the demi-god Barry Bonds? >No... max adult vision never exceeds 18 fps, which >is way, way, below 30 or 24 fps. Make up your mind. Can Barry Bonds read "Wilson" on a pitched fastball or is he limited to about 18 fps? Do you know anything about cameras? What shutter speed would you need to be able to read "Wilson" on a photograph of a baseball that crosses the plate at a leisurely 60 mph? (hint: 60 mph is 88 feet per second) -- -Mike
From: stew dean on 29 Mar 2005 17:30
George Hammond wrote: > "stew dean" <stewdean(a)gmail.com> wrote in > message news:1112082391.640821.86830(a)l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > ...................... He only has one degree that he studied > > for, at least I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one. > > There's nothing solid that he even took that one. He sure couldnt pass > > a degree of any kind now. > > > > Stew Dean > > > [Hammond] > LIAR! George - I only have your word you took a degree - and that's not much good. You probably have problems passing wind these days. > > This is a matter of public record: > > ========Hammond's CV============== > > B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute > Worcester MA, USA (Deans List) > M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University, > Boston MA, USA > Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68 > Northeastern Univ. Boston MA > Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt at > N.U. who is now a Distinguished Professor at TAMU > > Peer reviewed publications: Where's the review? > Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in > New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167 > Pergamon Press. > Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Theory of God > Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic Press) > ===================================== > > [Hammond] > NOW EITHER STATE YOUR CV, > OR GET OFF THIS THREAD! I'm looking for the rest of your CV. The thing about CVs is they include which jobs you've done. My CV starts with my degree (I think I've cut it down to two lines now) then goes on for a page or so with jobs I've done and who I worked for. I can't post my CV here as it's a personal matter and this is an impersonal debate. I'm not a scientists or a physicist - but then neither are you. Your CV stops short of any professional life - the point of a CV really. It also stops before I was born! So what have you done for the last 35 years or so apart from publish nonsense here there and everywhere? Stew Dean |