From: spudnik on
a-hem, from the top of your quoted *PT* article,
"The null result of the celebrated 1887 Michelson-
Morley experiment was surprising & difficult to explain,"
is just a gloss on their results, and that
of their successors, even commented upon
by Einstein (from Caltech).

> http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031
> Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
> <http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf>  

thus:
space-time is phase-space, period, and
is almost always an obfuscation -- but
Minkowski died <at about 45>, before he could qualify any
of his lagubrious slogans.
> Vacuum; Space-time; Aether.

thus:
what is a knotted polygon?
let me guess; if
the edges are links with universal joints
between them, then a hexagon can be "knotted"
in the conventional sense (of not being the unknot
or circle).

--les OEuvres!
http://wlym.com
From: glird on
On Feb 8, 4:46 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Minkowski died <at about 45>, before he could qualify any
> of his lagubrious slogans.

And b4 he UNDERSTOOD what they physically OR mathematically require
or impose or mean.

glird
From: BURT on
On Feb 9, 2:11 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 4:46 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Minkowski died <at about 45>, before he could qualify any
> > of his lagubrious slogans.
>
>   And b4 he UNDERSTOOD what they physically OR mathematically require
> or impose or mean.
>
>   glird

We can prove redshift but not black hole. Black holes violate Special
Relativity's speed limit while falling in. There is a two time aether
rate field. Two times are immatterial and flow.

Mitch Raemsch
From: spudnik on
aether; may not mean what y'think it be!...
quantum foam, either.

redshift, assuredly not neccesarily Dopplerian;
anyone in space physics knows, there ain't no absolute/
Pascalian plenum -- not his fault, either, although
Hubble succunbed to the einsteinmaniacs!

> >   And b4 he UNDERSTOOD what they physically OR mathematically require
> > or impose or mean.

> I say, I can prove redshift but not black hole. Black holes violate Special
> Relativity's speed limit while falling in. There is a two time aether
> rate field. Two times are immatterial and flow.

thus:
yeah, there is at least one pair of such "fixed" points, but
I would apply Boyles law, minimally, to that situation.

> It does not imply that the temperature at every point is the same as
> at its antipode. Nor does it imply (contrary to Tom's claim) that
> "identical weather conditions" occur at some point and its antipode --
> unless "identical weather conditions" simply means the same in some
> one continuous function (temperature or wind speed or ...).

--les OEuvres!
http://wlym.com
From: NoEinstein on
On Feb 8, 4:41 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> you're getting fuzzier than Nein Eins Tein;
> you're getting older!
>
> > > If there is a flow of the aether
> > > it moves into and out
> > > of the mass itself with no effect on
> > > the mass. The mass *is* the aether
> > > wherever it is. They are not separate things.
> > You're getting warm!
>
> thus:
> space-time is phase-space, period, and
> is almost always an obfuscation -- but
> Minkowski died <at about 45>, before he could qualify any
> of his lagubrious slogans.
>
> > Vacuum; Space-time; Aether.
>
> thus:
> what is a knotted polygon?
>     let me guess; if
> the edges are links with universal joints
> between them, then a hexagon can be "knotted"
> in the conventional sense (of not being the unknot
> or circle).
>
> --les OEuvres!http://wlym.com

Come again??? — NoEinstein —