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From: BURT on 15 Feb 2010 20:15 On Feb 15, 5:10 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Feb 8, 4:41 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > you're getting fuzzier than Nein Eins Tein; > > you're getting older! > > > > > If there is a flow of the aether > > > > it moves into and out > > > > of the mass itself with no effect on > > > > the mass. The mass *is* the aether > > > > wherever it is. They are not separate things. > > > You're getting warm! > > > thus: > > space-time is phase-space, period, and > > is almost always an obfuscation -- but > > Minkowski died <at about 45>, before he could qualify any > > of his lagubrious slogans. > > > > Vacuum; Space-time; Aether. > > > thus: > > what is a knotted polygon? > > let me guess; if > > the edges are links with universal joints > > between them, then a hexagon can be "knotted" > > in the conventional sense (of not being the unknot > > or circle). > > > --les OEuvres!http://wlym.com > > Come again??? NoEinstein - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - We are turning in the Earth's geometry. There is no drag. Mitch Raemsch
From: BURT on 15 Feb 2010 20:45 On Feb 15, 5:10 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Feb 8, 4:41 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > you're getting fuzzier than Nein Eins Tein; > > you're getting older! > > > > > If there is a flow of the aether > > > > it moves into and out > > > > of the mass itself with no effect on > > > > the mass. The mass *is* the aether > > > > wherever it is. They are not separate things. > > > You're getting warm! > > > thus: > > space-time is phase-space, period, and > > is almost always an obfuscation -- but > > Minkowski died <at about 45>, before he could qualify any > > of his lagubrious slogans. > > > > Vacuum; Space-time; Aether. > > > thus: > > what is a knotted polygon? > > let me guess; if > > the edges are links with universal joints > > between them, then a hexagon can be "knotted" > > in the conventional sense (of not being the unknot > > or circle). > > > --les OEuvres!http://wlym.com > > Come again??? NoEinstein - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The strength of gravity inside the event horizon will cause faster than light fall. We have no metric for it. Mitch Raemsch
From: M. M i c h a e l M u s a t o v on 15 Feb 2010 20:59 On Feb 15, 5:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Feb 15, 5:10 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 4:41 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > you're getting fuzzier than Nein Eins Tein; > > > you're getting older! > > > > > > If there is a flow of the aether > > > > > it moves into and out I> > > > > of the mass itself with no effect on I> > > > > the mass. The mass *is* the aether > > > > > wherever it is. They are not separate things. > > > > You're getting warm! > I> > > thus: > > > space-time is phase-space, period, and > > > is almost always an obfuscation -- but > > > Minkowski died <at about 45>, before he could oqualify any > > > of his lagubrious slogans. > > > > > Vacuum; Space-time; Aether. > o> > > thus: > > > what is a knotted polygon? > > > let me guess; if > > > the edges are links with universal joints > > > between them, then a hexagon can be "knotted" > > > in the conventional sense (of not being the unknot it> > > or circle). > > > > --les OEuvres!http://wlym.com u> > > Come again??? NoEinstein - Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - u> > The strength of gravity inside the event horizon will cause faster > than light fall. We have no metric for it. > > Mitch Raemsch what is 'light fall'?
From: Androcles on 15 Feb 2010 21:33 "M. M i c h a e l M u s a t o v" <marty.musatov(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:e032bdfb-7819-4f06-ba82-48d436ad4e16(a)g28g2000prb.googlegroups.com... On Feb 15, 5:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Feb 15, 5:10 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 4:41 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > you're getting fuzzier than Nein Eins Tein; > > > you're getting older! > > > > > > If there is a flow of the aether > > > > > it moves into and out I> > > > > of the mass itself with no effect on I> > > > > the mass. The mass *is* the aether > > > > > wherever it is. They are not separate things. > > > > You're getting warm! > I> > > thus: > > > space-time is phase-space, period, and > > > is almost always an obfuscation -- but > > > Minkowski died <at about 45>, before he could oqualify any > > > of his lagubrious slogans. > > > > > Vacuum; Space-time; Aether. > o> > > thus: > > > what is a knotted polygon? > > > let me guess; if > > > the edges are links with universal joints > > > between them, then a hexagon can be "knotted" > > > in the conventional sense (of not being the unknot it> > > or circle). > > > > --les OEuvres!http://wlym.com u> > > Come again??? � NoEinstein �- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - u> > The strength of gravity inside the event horizon will cause faster > than light fall. We have no metric for it. > > Mitch Raemsch what is 'light fall'? ==================================== http://xkcd.com/265/
From: BURT on 15 Feb 2010 21:35
On Feb 15, 6:33 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_u> wrote: > "M. M i c h a e l M u s a t o v" <marty.musa...(a)gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:e032bdfb-7819-4f06-ba82-48d436ad4e16(a)g28g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 15, 5:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:> On Feb 15, 5:10 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > On Feb 8, 4:41 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > you're getting fuzzier than Nein Eins Tein; > > > > you're getting older! > > > > > > > If there is a flow of the aether > > > > > > it moves into and out > > I> > > > > of the mass itself with no effect on > I> > > > > the mass. The mass *is* the aether > > > > > > > > > > > wherever it is. They are not separate things. > > > > > You're getting warm! > > I> > > thus: > > > > space-time is phase-space, period, and > > > > is almost always an obfuscation -- but > > > > Minkowski died <at about 45>, before he could oqualify any > > > > of his lagubrious slogans. > > > > > > Vacuum; Space-time; Aether. > > o> > > thus: > > > > what is a knotted polygon? > > > > let me guess; if > > > > the edges are links with universal joints > > > > between them, then a hexagon can be "knotted" > > > > in the conventional sense (of not being the unknot > it> > > or circle). > > > > > --les OEuvres!http://wlym.com > u> > > > Come again??? NoEinstein - Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > u> > > The strength of gravity inside the event horizon will cause faster > > than light fall. We have no metric for it. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > what is 'light fall'? > > ==================================== > http://xkcd.com/265/- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Light fall is into a slower C by lights time metric. It is light entering slower time. MItch Raemsch |