HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
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From: Camaleón on 30 Jul 2010 02:50 On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +0000, Harishankar wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +0000, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> And those options are not available for your printer, neither using the >> old PPD nor the lastest :-( >> > > I am sure that it was a bug because I cannot afford to waste multi > colour cartridge to generate the black text on pages where I need colour > output also. It does work that way in Windows (maybe because the driver > is more "intelligent"). I'm sure the HP PSC series of Multi-function > printers fall into the category of "cheap" and "unintelligent" (that is > the printer won't do the grunt work of choosing which cartridge to use > for what type of output). > > All I need is black text and greyscale graphics to print with black ink > cartridge and colour text and output to print with the colour cartridge. > > Hopefully somebody might find a solution to this. The question is how > long will it take for the driver developers to fix it? Maybe you are requesting too much for your device :-) Your printer support status is listed here: *** http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/psc/psc_1310_series.html - Support level: Partial (See note11.) - Unsupported feature(s): Reduced print quality and/or print speed (See note12.) *** And if you read on (note 12), you find this other KB: *** http://hplipopensource.com/node/313 LIDIL-specific issues Most Linux customers may find LIDIL printers to provide very good cost/ value since these printers work well with HPLIP for the majority of print jobs. However, for Linux customers who require the highest level of print speed and quality (matching the published specs for these LIDIL devices) these LIDIL printers matched with HPLIP may not meet their needs. We recommend those customers purchase a PCL or PostScript-based inkjet or LaserJet product. *** Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced options. Just note you are talking about two issues, here: 1/ Choosing "black-only" or "gray-scale" uses color cartridge. IMO, that should not happen and could be indeed a bug of the printer printer, although HP can say it's "a feature" :-/ 2/ Having an option to selective control when to use the color cartridge or pure black for printing fine quality photos. That is a feature that I've seen available only in medium/high level printers. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.06.44.39(a)gmail.com
From: Harishankar on 30 Jul 2010 03:10 On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +0000, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +0000, Harishankar wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +0000, Camaleón wrote: > > (...) > >>> And those options are not available for your printer, neither using >>> the old PPD nor the lastest :-( >>> >>> >> I am sure that it was a bug because I cannot afford to waste multi >> colour cartridge to generate the black text on pages where I need >> colour output also. It does work that way in Windows (maybe because the >> driver is more "intelligent"). I'm sure the HP PSC series of >> Multi-function printers fall into the category of "cheap" and >> "unintelligent" (that is the printer won't do the grunt work of >> choosing which cartridge to use for what type of output). >> >> All I need is black text and greyscale graphics to print with black ink >> cartridge and colour text and output to print with the colour >> cartridge. >> >> Hopefully somebody might find a solution to this. The question is how >> long will it take for the driver developers to fix it? > > Maybe you are requesting too much for your device :-) > > Your printer support status is listed here: > > *** > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/psc/psc_1310_series.html > > - Support level: Partial (See note11.) - Unsupported feature(s): Reduced > print quality and/or print speed (See note12.) > *** > > And if you read on (note 12), you find this other KB: > > *** > http://hplipopensource.com/node/313 > > LIDIL-specific issues > > Most Linux customers may find LIDIL printers to provide very good cost/ > value since these printers work well with HPLIP for the majority of > print jobs. However, for Linux customers who require the highest level > of print speed and quality (matching the published specs for these LIDIL > devices) these LIDIL printers matched with HPLIP may not meet their > needs. We recommend those customers purchase a PCL or PostScript-based > inkjet or LaserJet product. > *** > > Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible > that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced options. > > Just note you are talking about two issues, here: > > 1/ Choosing "black-only" or "gray-scale" uses color cartridge. IMO, that > should not happen and could be indeed a bug of the printer printer, > although HP can say it's "a feature" :-/ Actually this works fine for me. Choosing greyscale option prints using the black cartridge, but using the colour cartridge does not use print black using the black cartridge. > > 2/ Having an option to selective control when to use the color cartridge > or pure black for printing fine quality photos. That is a feature that > I've seen available only in medium/high level printers. > > Greetings, Actually this works in windows. It prints colour using colour cartridge and black text using black cartridge in the same print job. I think the Windows driver provided by HP officially actually does the job within the driver to instruct the printer. It might be a firmware issue but whatever it is, I am sure it is possible on my printer to use both cartridges in one print job. > > -- > Camaleón -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2ttn2$ran$1(a)dough.gmane.org
From: Harishankar on 30 Jul 2010 03:20 On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +0000, Harishankar wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +0000, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +0000, Harishankar wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +0000, Camaleón wrote: >> >> (...) >> >>>> And those options are not available for your printer, neither using >>>> the old PPD nor the lastest :-( >>>> >>>> >>> I am sure that it was a bug because I cannot afford to waste multi >>> colour cartridge to generate the black text on pages where I need >>> colour output also. It does work that way in Windows (maybe because >>> the driver is more "intelligent"). I'm sure the HP PSC series of >>> Multi-function printers fall into the category of "cheap" and >>> "unintelligent" (that is the printer won't do the grunt work of >>> choosing which cartridge to use for what type of output). >>> >>> All I need is black text and greyscale graphics to print with black >>> ink cartridge and colour text and output to print with the colour >>> cartridge. >>> >>> Hopefully somebody might find a solution to this. The question is how >>> long will it take for the driver developers to fix it? >> >> Maybe you are requesting too much for your device :-) >> >> Your printer support status is listed here: >> >> *** >> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/psc/psc_1310_series.html >> >> - Support level: Partial (See note11.) - Unsupported feature(s): >> Reduced print quality and/or print speed (See note12.) *** >> >> And if you read on (note 12), you find this other KB: >> >> *** >> http://hplipopensource.com/node/313 >> >> LIDIL-specific issues >> >> Most Linux customers may find LIDIL printers to provide very good cost/ >> value since these printers work well with HPLIP for the majority of >> print jobs. However, for Linux customers who require the highest level >> of print speed and quality (matching the published specs for these >> LIDIL devices) these LIDIL printers matched with HPLIP may not meet >> their needs. We recommend those customers purchase a PCL or >> PostScript-based inkjet or LaserJet product. >> *** >> >> Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible >> that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced >> options. >> >> Just note you are talking about two issues, here: >> >> 1/ Choosing "black-only" or "gray-scale" uses color cartridge. IMO, >> that should not happen and could be indeed a bug of the printer >> printer, although HP can say it's "a feature" :-/ > > Actually this works fine for me. Choosing greyscale option prints using > the black cartridge, but using the colour cartridge does not use print > black using the black cartridge. > > > >> 2/ Having an option to selective control when to use the color >> cartridge or pure black for printing fine quality photos. That is a >> feature that I've seen available only in medium/high level printers. >> >> Greetings, > > Actually this works in windows. It prints colour using colour cartridge > and black text using black cartridge in the same print job. > > I think the Windows driver provided by HP officially actually does the > job within the driver to instruct the printer. It might be a firmware > issue but whatever it is, I am sure it is possible on my printer to use > both cartridges in one print job. > > > >> -- >> Camaleón > > > > > > -- > Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) I'd like to add the note/clarification that the exact issue I'm having is NOT that the printer uses colour cartridge when instructed to do "Normal Greyscale" printing -- that works as expected and is good enough for printing pure B&W or greyscale documents. It's that the printer DOES not use black cartridge when instructed to print a document in colour that has both colour graphics/text and black. Most colour documents are of that nature, so using full colour for even black results in poor print quality not to mention wastage of colour ink for black (when the result is better with a black cartridge) I was mentioning that in Windows, the HP driver handles this automatically and doesn't need any special options, but in Linux, printing mixed B&W/colour documents always takes longer and the results are poorer because the black cartridge is never used. I am surprised that Linux HP drivers haven't fixed the issue at all over the years. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2tu13$ran$2(a)dough.gmane.org
From: Camaleón on 30 Jul 2010 04:10 On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:12:36 +0000, Harishankar wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +0000, Harishankar wrote: > >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +0000, Camaleón wrote: (...) >>> Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible >>> that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced >>> options. (...) > I'd like to add the note/clarification that the exact issue I'm having > is NOT that the printer uses colour cartridge when instructed to do > "Normal Greyscale" printing -- that works as expected and is good enough > for printing pure B&W or greyscale documents. It's that the printer DOES > not use black cartridge when instructed to print a document in colour > that has both colour graphics/text and black. Most colour documents are > of that nature, so using full colour for even black results in poor > print quality not to mention wastage of colour ink for black (when the > result is better with a black cartridge) > > I was mentioning that in Windows, the HP driver handles this > automatically and doesn't need any special options, but in Linux, > printing mixed B&W/colour documents always takes longer and the results > are poorer because the black cartridge is never used. > > I am surprised that Linux HP drivers haven't fixed the issue at all over > the years. I would say that is not a driver's fault but a printer design "feature". Take it as it is. Cheap devices are marketed mostly for Windows platform (i.e., win-modems that need a windows driver to be properly detected and configured, fake-raid controllers, etc...). As I said you before, our HP laserjet colour printer (PostScript based) do have that option you are looking for. I'd say those enhanced features come with the hardware you are buying... and the money you spend on it >:-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.08.02.41(a)gmail.com
From: Harishankar on 30 Jul 2010 04:10
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:12:36 +0000, Harishankar wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +0000, Harishankar wrote: > >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +0000, Camaleón wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +0000, Harishankar wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +0000, Camaleón wrote: >>> >>> (...) >>> >>>>> And those options are not available for your printer, neither using >>>>> the old PPD nor the lastest :-( >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I am sure that it was a bug because I cannot afford to waste multi >>>> colour cartridge to generate the black text on pages where I need >>>> colour output also. It does work that way in Windows (maybe because >>>> the driver is more "intelligent"). I'm sure the HP PSC series of >>>> Multi-function printers fall into the category of "cheap" and >>>> "unintelligent" (that is the printer won't do the grunt work of >>>> choosing which cartridge to use for what type of output). >>>> >>>> All I need is black text and greyscale graphics to print with black >>>> ink cartridge and colour text and output to print with the colour >>>> cartridge. >>>> >>>> Hopefully somebody might find a solution to this. The question is how >>>> long will it take for the driver developers to fix it? >>> >>> Maybe you are requesting too much for your device :-) >>> >>> Your printer support status is listed here: >>> >>> *** >>> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/psc/psc_1310_series.html >>> >>> - Support level: Partial (See note11.) - Unsupported feature(s): >>> Reduced print quality and/or print speed (See note12.) *** >>> >>> And if you read on (note 12), you find this other KB: >>> >>> *** >>> http://hplipopensource.com/node/313 >>> >>> LIDIL-specific issues >>> >>> Most Linux customers may find LIDIL printers to provide very good >>> cost/ value since these printers work well with HPLIP for the majority >>> of print jobs. However, for Linux customers who require the highest >>> level of print speed and quality (matching the published specs for >>> these LIDIL devices) these LIDIL printers matched with HPLIP may not >>> meet their needs. We recommend those customers purchase a PCL or >>> PostScript-based inkjet or LaserJet product. *** >>> >>> Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible >>> that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced >>> options. >>> >>> Just note you are talking about two issues, here: >>> >>> 1/ Choosing "black-only" or "gray-scale" uses color cartridge. IMO, >>> that should not happen and could be indeed a bug of the printer >>> printer, although HP can say it's "a feature" :-/ >> >> Actually this works fine for me. Choosing greyscale option prints using >> the black cartridge, but using the colour cartridge does not use print >> black using the black cartridge. >> >> >> >>> 2/ Having an option to selective control when to use the color >>> cartridge or pure black for printing fine quality photos. That is a >>> feature that I've seen available only in medium/high level printers. >>> >>> Greetings, >> >> Actually this works in windows. It prints colour using colour cartridge >> and black text using black cartridge in the same print job. >> >> I think the Windows driver provided by HP officially actually does the >> job within the driver to instruct the printer. It might be a firmware >> issue but whatever it is, I am sure it is possible on my printer to use >> both cartridges in one print job. >> >> >> >>> -- >>> Camaleón >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) > > > I'd like to add the note/clarification that the exact issue I'm having > is NOT that the printer uses colour cartridge when instructed to do > "Normal Greyscale" printing -- that works as expected and is good enough > for printing pure B&W or greyscale documents. It's that the printer DOES > not use black cartridge when instructed to print a document in colour > that has both colour graphics/text and black. Most colour documents are > of that nature, so using full colour for even black results in poor > print quality not to mention wastage of colour ink for black (when the > result is better with a black cartridge) > > I was mentioning that in Windows, the HP driver handles this > automatically and doesn't need any special options, but in Linux, > printing mixed B&W/colour documents always takes longer and the results > are poorer because the black cartridge is never used. > > I am surprised that Linux HP drivers haven't fixed the issue at all over > the years. > > -- > Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) Wow... I just checked the difference between Linux and Windows printing using my printer. The speed difference is also amazing. In Windows the printer responds so quickly and also prints the page fast. The black and greyscale parts of the printed page are crisp, sharp and clear (as it clearly uses the black cartridge) and the colours are rendered using the colour cartridge as per normal. So well yes, the Linux drivers STILL face this issue and I'm not sure whether it will ever be fixed at all. Even the old hpijs drivers have the same issue and so does the new hpcups driver. I feel very disappointed that I cannot take multi-colour document printouts properly in Linux even after all these years. :-( -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2u15p$5uq$1(a)dough.gmane.org |