From: Shmuel Metz on
In <hjkpcr$dvu$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, on 01/25/2010
at 01:56 PM, script||die <nomail.nospam@_INVALID_no.org> said:

>A youngster I think, wanted to show off that he had graduated to an
>installation expert.

ITYM that he had failed to graduate to an installation expert :-(

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From: Shmuel Metz on
In <gv0tl59s2a7g5in7gcg0kj1r39e4l7batc(a)4ax.com>, on 01/26/2010
at 06:20 AM, Stephen Horne <sh006d3592(a)blueyonder.co.uk> said:

>As for the cost of the drive being irrelevant, that really depends. I did
>once own a tape drive - a Seagate thing, I think, and one of the few
>designed for home users. The tapes were 1.6GB IIRC (advertised as 3.2GB
>with compression), and I only ever needed 3 tapes.

No off-site backups? No old backups in case of a finger check that you
didn't catch until months later?

>When I discovered that, I made sure that everything stored on the tapes
>was zipped up

I zip backups to DVD as well, but that's more for capacity reasons than
anything else. Maybe I should do incrementals and only do full backups
once a month or so.

>wasn't worthwhile to backup the whole system

My data are larger than my OS.

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From: JT on
On 29/01/10 12:33, houghi wrote:
> Shmuel Metz wrote:
>
>> I zip backups to DVD as well, but that's more for capacity reasons than
>> anything else. Maybe I should do incrementals and only do full backups
>> once a month or so.
>>
> I do incremental backups twice a day. Almost nothing offsite. If My PC
> burns down,. I have bigger problems then dealing with the loss of data.
>
> houghi
>
Same here, no offsite storage (that's nice for the workplace). 'Just' an
external USB drive and a 'rsync' script to do increments of '/home' (OS
can be re-installed easily) on a regular basis (effectively
incremental). Of course the USB drive is not mounted when doing regular
work on the pc.

Nice addon - if I say so myself - I use loopback device and encryption
for the backup file on that USB drive. So no worries if the disk gets
'lost to strangers' - at least no worry 'bout the data.

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From: JT on
On 29/01/10 19:47, houghi wrote:
> JT wrote:
>
>> Same here, no offsite storage (that's nice for the workplace). 'Just' an
>> external USB drive and a 'rsync' script to do increments of '/home' (OS
>> can be re-installed easily) on a regular basis (effectively
>> incremental). Of course the USB drive is not mounted when doing regular
>> work on the pc.
>>
> No external drive here, just a seperate drive which I mount read only.
> Also a bit more then just /home
> /var/spool/mail
> /etc
> /srv
> /usr/local
> a mysql dump and some other small directories
>
> Reinstalling can be done easily. reconfiguration is also a nice thing
> and many things are in /etc
> Scripts I made myself are often in /usr/local, although I start to get
> lazy and just put them in ~/bin as I am the only user and have easier
> write access there.
>
> houghi
>
Point, will look into /etc/. Rest is not used (don't run mailserver and
scripts are in ~/bin/). /etc/ is a vulnarability in my setup - I agree.


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From: Stephen Horne on
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:04:55 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
<spamtrap(a)library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

>In <gv0tl59s2a7g5in7gcg0kj1r39e4l7batc(a)4ax.com>, on 01/26/2010
> at 06:20 AM, Stephen Horne <sh006d3592(a)blueyonder.co.uk> said:
>
>>As for the cost of the drive being irrelevant, that really depends. I did
>>once own a tape drive - a Seagate thing, I think, and one of the few
>>designed for home users. The tapes were 1.6GB IIRC (advertised as 3.2GB
>>with compression), and I only ever needed 3 tapes.
>
>No off-site backups? No old backups in case of a finger check that you
>didn't catch until months later?

1 tape at home
1 tape left at work
1 tape so I always had two valid backups, even while doing a backup

Primary copy on home hard disk on a 1GB partition that seemed wildly
excessive at the time. The whole hard drive was, IIRC, 3.2GB.

>>wasn't worthwhile to backup the whole system
>
>My data are larger than my OS.

That's the whole point - the OS and installed software weren't worth
backing up because the restore was too painful.

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