From: script||die on
On 01/21/2010 07:20 AM, houghi wrote:
> script||die wrote:
>> What would really be of help is an installation that keeps all of the
>> installer's tools or wherewithall. I could make just one and use dd to
>> spread it to every machine where on every boot it would adjust to the
>> cpu etc in use. Something like live but on disk.
>
> And why do you not do that already? Export your preferd installation in
> YaST. Import it at the next installation and you are done.

You mean exporting the package list xml file? It's that next
'installation' that I'd want to avoid. If I could make one installation
that resembles a live DVD I'd just replicate it 40 times with dd to any
computer with any cpu, edit fstab and be done. Whenever booted it would
set itself up like the live opticals. Pretty sure many people do that
already but it's way over my head.

>> The other goodie would be user folders with relative paths (~/) used. I
>> could replicate those and then copy in the old internet wares with
>> personal contents.
>
> Uh, all users have that relative path. ~/ IS $HOME

I know that.

What I had in mind was one user folder that can be tweaked and set up
without containing a single file with the string "/home/somename/" in it
but instead "~/". The contents of such a folder could then copied into
/home/anyname before creating a user with the folder name.


From: J. van der Waa on
houghi wrote:
> J. van der Waa wrote:
>>> Run XFCE or Windowmaker or IceWM instead. Especially the last one is
>>> very light.
>> To be honest.... I don't want to search for solutions when they don't
>> come "out of the box" (in this case the Open Suse dvd).
>
> That is why I proposed what I proposed.
>
>
> houghi
OK learned again something from the real contributors :-)
From: script||die on
On 01/23/2010 03:20 AM, houghi wrote:
> script||die wrote:
>>> And why do you not do that already? Export your preferd installation in
>>> YaST. Import it at the next installation and you are done.
>>
>> You mean exporting the package list xml file? It's that next
>> 'installation' that I'd want to avoid. If I could make one installation
>> that resembles a live DVD I'd just replicate it 40 times with dd to any
>> computer with any cpu, edit fstab and be done. Whenever booted it would
>> set itself up like the live opticals. Pretty sure many people do that
>> already but it's way over my head.
>
> Look up AutoYaST. Then you have what you want. Or use suse Studio.
> Or make your own YaST xml file so you can use that for the installation.
> It won't be clickety-click and you are ready, but it is possible with
> YaST.
> http://forgeftp.novell.com/yast/doc/SLES11/autoinstall/index.html
>
> At the end of an installation, you get the question if you would like to
> save the whole process for AutoYaST. That you can then load later and
> skip all of the instalation process, including fstab.
> You can then use the above URL to edit the file if you so like.

That sounds like worth looking into. The installations I do I have to do
anyway. Any method to make other ones identical without repeating the
online time penalty is a plus. That at least covers the basic install
before the setting up of users.

>> What I had in mind was one user folder that can be tweaked and set up
>> without containing a single file with the string "/home/somename/" in it
>> but instead "~/". The contents of such a folder could then copied into
>> /home/anyname before creating a user with the folder name.
>
> You mean like /etc/skel/ which is what is used as a sample to make every
> new users directory? Everything that is in there will be placed in a new
> users home directory.

I've tried it and that would be a really IDEAL way to just clone a
PAINSTAKINGLY tweaked user folder with all the setups of look & feel
plus custom command scripts, menus and everything.

The problem with skel is that all the references to "/home/usercloned/"
inside the files remain that way and then you have a "/home/usernew/"
folder full of files with "/home/usercloned/" content in that folder
after creation of the new user. This is really rampant in kde files
(maybe the "~/" syntax is unusable there) and a little less a problem
otherwise. I'm already doing that the spanish way (emanuel) by making
sure that all my scripts use strictly the "~/" syntax making them 100%
clonable.



From: script||die on
On 01/20/2010 07:16 PM, houghi wrote:
> script||die wrote:
>>> If all you're doing is carting around a copy of the update
>>> mirror, you don't need to know a lot about networking. Just
>>> enough to be able to create your mirror and how to configure the
>>> other machines to use it when it's available.
>>
>> For a while I had thought of doing it from home but that will
>> always be too far for my skills.
>
> As I understand the PC's you work on are not online. If they are, you
> can use ssh and even run GUI programs remotely. It will be as if you
> are sitting at the PC with the sceen in fron of you, as long as there
> is a connection and no hardware issues.
>
> The majority of the coputers I maintain are in other locations then
> myself (often including my own machines)

In the long haul that's something that could help for some machines,
once I learn how2 :-) I'm really swamped for the rest of 2010.

>> That's my case too but as the windows fans are thinning out I'm
>> thinking of reverting my expertise to end up with less work!
>
> Look at the postive side. As a windows syetem admin support helper,
> you will be dealing with users on a weekly basis. With Linux this
> will become monthly and only just to say hello.

Well speak of the devil, wickerman! That free 10.3 install I was talking
about, the one that's been grinding since 2003 without intervention, it
stopped showing images in FF, something I was going to fix it this
evening. It was a dual boot with dozeXP aboard too but never used. The
owner told me a week ago but couldn't wait and called out a 'tech' who
immediately erased everything on both drives, installed a leftover Vista
he probably couldn't sell anymore on them and told him he had been
dealing with an idiot who had created a mess he'd never seen before (or
congrats to that effect, I wasn't there). The bill came out to something
less that $200.

It's only a question of time :-)

So let's say it goes a year without puking. What should my fair price be
for another install that'll last 7 years like the last one I did, 1400?


>> With a usb.hd adapter and a nice 32gb usb stick I'm now in a
>> position to greatly reduce the ritual-load. Just did one where I
>> plugged in the usb, mounted it under the last local repo
>> mountpoint and did the update. Went real easy. I'll be
>> standardizing this method for myself in the weeks ahead.
>
> See what commands you type doing this. Put them in a file. Add
> #!/biin/bash to the first line and PRESTO, your stuff is automated.
> ;-)
>
>> You gotta admit it had some good features, mine didn't even have
>> an HD so it was pretty silent for one thing.
>
> My entry was the C64. I even had a floppy, a matrix AND a daisywheel
> printer.

Mine was the VIC, then the 64. That 64 had so many problems with the
external disks, they just kept dying & mangling data. Once I got fed up
and looked ahead and bought 2 of them. Sure enough a week later an older
one crapped out so I immediately exchanged it under warranty on one of
new ones. Not very ethical but then neither was the price for what was
sold, something like $120 each at a time when I was living on bachelor
toast and ketchup soup :-)

>> Who's got time for flamewars? I'm just catching up on what I can
>> and am outta here.
>
> Flamewars are silly. Especially as everybody knows that vim is much
> better then Emacs. ;-)

It all depends on the number of keyboards one is prepared to wear out :-)

From: script||die on
On 01/23/2010 02:24 PM, houghi wrote:

> Keyboards? Want to talk about keyboards? I have the best keyboard in the
> world.

Not the maximus or whatever, the one with the led keys?

All I want is one of those ibm clankers made for big fingers, they don't
make them anymore. Once I walked into this surplus store and they had
like 100 of them $5 ea. Should have bought the lot.

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