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From: Osamu Aoki on 15 May 2010 12:40 On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:17:36AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > >>+1 Sid/Unstable > > > >Yep, even though it's called unstable it's like a rock.. :) > > Indeed, and that needs to be stressed. "Unstable" it may be called > but I find it very stable, as long as you don't burn your bridges > behind you. Yes but please note we are almost in a soft-freeze situation now where no major distruptive uploads are done by DD. It was not like this just after lebby release if you had some hardware impacted by xorg package transition. (Being cautious is a good idea.) Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100515162209.GA24561(a)osamu.debian.net
From: Jimmy Johnson on 15 May 2010 13:50 Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sat,15.May.10, 00:33:47, Jimmy Johnson wrote: >> Yes, start with a testing netinst >> www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and install the base and then >> add the sid repos and do an aptitude full-upgrade to the base, after >> that you can start to build your testing/unstable system the way you >> want it. > Or use the business-card image with boot option 'priority=medium' and > install unstable directly ;) > > Regards, > Andrei Thanks, here's a link: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#unstable-images -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Squeeze at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BEEDDC1.2060301(a)gmail.com
From: Wolodja Wentland on 16 May 2010 04:30 On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:17 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Alan Ianson wrote: > >On Fri May 14 2010 11:22:54 pm Ron Johnson wrote: > >Yep, even though it's called unstable it's like a rock.. :) > Indeed, and that needs to be stressed. "Unstable" it may be called > but I find it very stable, as long as you don't burn your bridges > behind you. Please don't mix up Debian's definition of stable with the sense of stable meaning "Not SNAFUing the system". Stable releases in Debian are those in which no packages will be added or new versions introduced. Changes to stable are meant to only fix security issues and critical bugs. This has the side-effect of not breaking your system most of the time and Debian stable releases are therefore regarded as being rock-solid (or stable). The rationale behind this is that system administrators can be sure that no backward incompatible changes in the API/ABI of the installed software is introduced and that the behaviour of an installed and configured system does not change when you install upgrades. Testing and Unstable are rolling releases that are allowed to introduce new packages and versions, but this does not mean that new packages are likely to break your system. It might happen, but DDs strive for providing high quality packages and these rolling releases can therefore be regarded as being "stable" in the sense you used above. -- .''`. Wolodja Wentland <wentland(a)cl.uni-heidelberg.de> : :' : `. `'` 4096R/CAF14EFC `- 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC
From: Sjoerd Hardeman on 17 May 2010 09:50 Osamu Aoki schreef: > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:23:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 05/15/2010 08:16 AM, RyanJB wrote: >>> Thanks for the comprehensive reply, it's like you just whipped up >>> a new documentation for this problem ;) >>> >>> I think it's best for me to run lenny with backport. My need is >>> actually only a stable home system. I do favor current apps >>> though; I often use betas (but not alphas), but I can live with >>> old apps. >>> >> Then use Sid. Lots of non-geeks do. > > Why??? I think he made a correct judgement. > > He said "I can live with old apps". > > He can always run sid in chroot or virtual machine. But the fact that > he is asking this question is the proof, he should get to lern Debian > system now. > > Once he will get to used to Debian system, he can do sid as I do or Ron > does. But I think it is premature. Give him few months, he will.... This is a very sane advice. I also started with a stable install, but after some time I decided I can handle testing. The problem is not that it's hard to run testing because it breaks, it is just a bit more likely to break in which case it is good to have some experience sorting out the debris. For unstable, this is probably even more true. Sjoerd
From: Erwan David on 17 May 2010 09:50
Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > Osamu Aoki schreef: >> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:23:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 05/15/2010 08:16 AM, RyanJB wrote: >>>> Thanks for the comprehensive reply, it's like you just whipped up >>>> a new documentation for this problem ;) >>>> >>>> I think it's best for me to run lenny with backport. My need is >>>> actually only a stable home system. I do favor current apps >>>> though; I often use betas (but not alphas), but I can live with >>>> old apps. >>>> >>> Then use Sid. Lots of non-geeks do. >> >> Why??? I think he made a correct judgement. >> He said "I can live with old apps". >> >> He can always run sid in chroot or virtual machine. But the fact that >> he is asking this question is the proof, he should get to lern Debian >> system now. >> >> Once he will get to used to Debian system, he can do sid as I do or Ron >> does. But I think it is premature. Give him few months, he will.... > This is a very sane advice. I also started with a stable install, but > after some time I decided I can handle testing. The problem is not that > it's hard to run testing because it breaks, it is just a bit more likely > to break in which case it is good to have some experience sorting out > the debris. For unstable, this is probably even more true. > > Sjoerd > I would say that the problem with testing is more that it does not get immediately the security patrch that Sid and stable gets, since they wait before being committed from sid to testing. (ANd if I remember there is an "exeprimental" also) -- Erwan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BF14966.50505(a)rail.eu.org |