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From: Sjoerd Hardeman on 17 May 2010 10:00 Erwan David schreef: > Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: >> Osamu Aoki schreef: >>> Why??? I think he made a correct judgement. >>> He said "I can live with old apps". >>> >>> He can always run sid in chroot or virtual machine. But the fact that >>> he is asking this question is the proof, he should get to lern Debian >>> system now. >>> >>> Once he will get to used to Debian system, he can do sid as I do or Ron >>> does. But I think it is premature. Give him few months, he will.... >> >> This is a very sane advice. I also started with a stable install, but >> after some time I decided I can handle testing. The problem is not that >> it's hard to run testing because it breaks, it is just a bit more likely >> to break in which case it is good to have some experience sorting out >> the debris. For unstable, this is probably even more true. > > I would say that the problem with testing is more that it does not get > immediately the security patrch that Sid and stable gets, since they > wait before being committed from sid to testing. This is being said more often, but simply not true: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ > > (ANd if I remember there is an "exeprimental" also) Yup. But experimental is not a distribution. It is just a staging for sid, and hence not complete and unusable by itself. Sjoerd
From: Osamu Aoki on 17 May 2010 10:20 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 03:49:26PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: .... > I would say that the problem with testing is more that it does not get > immediately the security patrch that Sid and stable gets, since they > wait before being committed from sid to testing. True. > (ANd if I remember there is an "exeprimental" also) This "experimental" is a bit different beast. If some software is not ready to be included into unstable, but we as DD wish to get a bit wider testing than via our own personal web sites, we upload there. We as DD are supposed to upload packages to "unstable" if they are in quality ready for release. Packages (semi)automatically migrates unstable -> testing -> stable. But experimental does not migrate to unstable. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100517140130.GB26319(a)osamu.debian.net
From: Andrei Popescu on 17 May 2010 10:20 On Mon,17.May.10, 15:59:07, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > > > >I would say that the problem with testing is more that it does not get > >immediately the security patrch that Sid and stable gets, since they > >wait before being committed from sid to testing. > This is being said more often, but simply not true: > http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ AFAIK the current support for testing security is... reduced. There are no packages built and uploaded directly for testing (as it happens with stable). Whenever some issue is fixed in unstable the package is migrated ASAP to testing, but ASAP means that sometimes it doesn't happen very fast (due to other unrelated problems). Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
From: Mark Allums on 17 May 2010 11:40 On 5/17/2010 8:49 AM, Erwan David wrote: > Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > I would say that the problem with testing is more that it does not get > immediately the security patrch that Sid and stable gets, since they > wait before being committed from sid to testing. Backwards. Sid gets no security, AT ALL. Testing get some. MAA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BF160F5.2000607(a)allums.com
From: Andrei Popescu on 17 May 2010 11:50
On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote: > Backwards. Sid gets no security, AT ALL. Testing get some. If some issue is fixed for stable the fix is also applied for unstable, unless the maintainer is unresponsive or so. In practice this means that unstable can be in better shape then testing at times. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic |