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From: Zo on 24 Jun 2010 06:25 [ZO] used his keyboard to write : > Zo <homenet(a)newsbill.net> wrote in > news:hvu626$rne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> [ZO] presented the following explanation : >>> From: "Zo" <homenet(a)newsbill.net> >>> >>> >>>> It happens that [ZO] formulated : >>>>> From: "Zo" <homenet(a)newsbill.net> >>> >>> >>>>>> Is anyone using this new tool? Seems to be a very hot download >>>>>> item at MajorGeeks (downloaded 2304597 times as of this posting) >>>>>> Didn't see any major problems or complaints in their forums) >>>>> Don't support these thieves ! >>> >>>>> http://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?showtopic=33217 >>>> Well now I think that was about one companys' word against another. >>>> Orbit's explanation seems valid to me and judging from the growing >>>> number of daily downloads from MajorGeeks, it appears others have >>>> accepted it as well. >>> >>>> http://forums.iobit.com/showthread.php?t=4807 >>>> Thanks for the feedback. >>> >>> No. They stole the database. There is NO DOUBT about it. >>> >>> Their detection rate sored when they implemented them and their >>> detection rate dropped when they removed them. >>> >>> Their "growing number of daily downloads from MajorGeeks" means >>> absolutely nothing. Like you, they have no idea about their >>> plagiarism. As a MBAM employee I knew what was going on and I know >>> the MBAM database and HOW they could have obtained it. Malwarebytes >>> laid a trap for IOBit and they fell right into it. It wasn't until >>> they fell into that trap was the subject matter disclosed publicly. >>> >>> What people fail to recognize is that the Chinese do NOT understand >>> what "Intellectual Property Rights" are. The Chinese steal from >>> other countries every hour of every day and do whatever they can to >>> make China a "world leader". Why do you think China is the "knock >>> off" capital of the world ? >>> >>> I could produce NUMEREOUS examples from Disney movies to archetectual >>> drawings. As a malware researcher I know how Chinese Malware is >>> used to exfiltrate data to gain a "competitive edge". I also have >>> other information from another source that I can't even discuss. >>> >>> This is not "one companys' word against another". >>> Marcin and Bruce created non-malicious fake malware and created a >>> signature pattern and included it in the MBAM Database. When IObit >>> was found to detect this "never released" and "fake malware" using >>> the detection name Marcin and Bruce created, there was no doubt. >>> IOBit had plagiarized the database. This was a well thought out trap >>> and IOBit fell right into it. >> >> I'm beginning to get that feeling I used to get when I was in the work >> force returning from lunch and had to sit through another half day of >> a boring seminar......yawn > > So, you didn't find education of value then either? That's to be > expected, I suppose from some people. You sound like a muppet. I didn't do too bad, been happily retired for 14 years now. I hope you can say the same one day. If you ever attended one of those all day seminars, ate lunch, and settled in for the remainder of the presentation, everyone that I know, and you could take a look around the room, and you would see heads bobbing and snapping back, even had one guy fall off his chair (that woke every body up lol. -- Zo "Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else."
From: David H. Lipman on 24 Jun 2010 16:56 From: "Zo" <homenet(a)newsbill.net> | This only proves that MBAM should have done a better job of protecting | their database, in which case they didn't. So get over it and move on | with your life. For what it is worth, you're doing exactly the same | thing that MBAM was/is doing in the their forum, bashing the | competition in this newsgroup. Until some kind of settlement is agreed | upon, in court or some other way, its purely a case of accusations. | Done That "...MBAM should have done a better job of protecting their database.." is something I am in TOTAL agreement on. I was a reseracher, not a programmer and they should have protected the "heart" of the appliucation. I have NO problem bashing any plagiarist ! -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
From: Dustin Cook on 24 Jun 2010 19:41 Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote in news:Xns9DA0C3EF2B669bearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net: > Dustin Cook <bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com> wrote in > news:Xns9DA0CA69F76CBHHI2948AJD832(a)69.16.185.250: > >> I should thank you also for demonstrating that you have no clue how >> expensive and difficult it would be for any company in the United >> States to sue (and actually expect to win anything) a company in >> China. Stupidity knows no bounds with you, eh? > > Then there is no case, or validation of your claims. You could be sued > for libel. IObit gets a free pass. Iobit couldn't sue me for anything. libel implies I'm speaking falsehoods, and I can prove otherwise if they ever wanted to play that game in a united states courtroom. My claims are validated, iobit had our data, iobit released an "updated" version with the data removed (after mbam raised an issue about this theft), that versions database was several megabytes smaller, lacking thousands of definitions the previous version had, including a fake definition for a malware sample that didn't really exist. Yea, iobit would love to goto court and try to talk there way out of all that, I'm sure. /sarcasm. BB, this is clearly one case where I know alot more than you about it, I was there, as a researcher, you are just a end user of the products; You have no background or insider knowledge of the subject. Sorry, but that's the way it is. -- The bear went over the mountain to see what he could see. Hey! The other side of the mountain was all that he could see! So he went back over the mountain to see what he could see. Hey! The other side of the mountain was all that he could see! - Green Jelly The Bear Song
From: Dustin Cook on 24 Jun 2010 19:43 za kAT <zakAT(a)super-secret-IPaddress.invalid> wrote in news:hvu8em$l98$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:18:59 +0100, za kAT wrote: > >> On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:52:20 GMT, Dustin Cook wrote: >> >>> I should thank you also for demonstrating that you have no clue how >>> expensive and difficult it would be for any company in the United >>> States to sue (and actually expect to win anything) a company in >>> China. >> >> He'd turn tail, and run if his wallet was on the line. > > I might add, so would I. LOL. Especially since everyone past and currently on the research team can prove our claims with iobit, we did, they released a new version which didn't contain our stuff. :) And! We weren't the only company they pulled this with. The creator of the infamous hijackthis utility noticed it was also stolen and incorporated into iobits software for a time. IObit are thieving roguing fucks. -- The bear went over the mountain to see what he could see. Hey! The other side of the mountain was all that he could see! So he went back over the mountain to see what he could see. Hey! The other side of the mountain was all that he could see! - Green Jelly The Bear Song
From: Dustin Cook on 24 Jun 2010 19:44
Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote in news:Xns9DA0C1F2D2A94bearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net: > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in > news:hvu3qj02aev(a)news2.newsguy.com: > >> From: "Bear Bottoms" <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> >> >>| "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in >>| news:hvtvvc0i8u(a)news6.newsguy.com: >> >>>> From: "Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com> >> >>>>| Zo <homenet(a)newsbill.net> wrote in news:hvstsp$iqb$1(a)news.eternal- >>>>| september.org: >> >>>>>> [ZO] brought next idea : >>>>>>> Zo <homenet(a)newsbill.net> wrote in >>>>>>> news:hvrhve$3jq$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: >> >>>>>>>> Is anyone using this new tool? Seems to be a very hot download >>>>>>>> item at MajorGeeks (downloaded 2304597 times as of this posting) >>>>>>>> Didn't see any major problems or complaints in their forums) >> >>>>>>> Uh, no.. The company has less than.. decent work ethics.. See >>>>>>> here: >> >>>>>>> http://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?showtopic=33217 >> >>>>>> Don't jump to conclusions without researching all of the facts. >>>>>> See my reply to David. >> >>>>| heh.. David and myself are both former employees of malwarebytes >>>>| who worked in the research dept. I assure you, we have researched >>>>| all the facts and this is not a case of jumping to conclusions. We >>>>| have seen what iodid with our own eyes. It was very hard to miss >>>>| our work inside their database. >> >> >> >>>> +10 >> >>>> I remember "our" discussions PRIOR to Marcin releasing the news. >>>> { I won't go any further than that } >> >> >> >>| and the case number is? >> >> Yours ? >> 666 >> >> > > I figured as much...there is no case number. If settlements or > agreements were made outside of a court ruling, you have no grounds and > are in violation of those agreements if you continue to trash IObit. Is > MBAM negotiating in bad faith with their representatives running loose > at the mouth? > I'm not trashing iobit, I'm giving a history lesson on how iobit treats it's competitors. If iobit has an issue with it, I invite them to sue me. :) -- The bear went over the mountain to see what he could see. Hey! The other side of the mountain was all that he could see! So he went back over the mountain to see what he could see. Hey! The other side of the mountain was all that he could see! - Green Jelly The Bear Song |