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From: Baron on 17 Apr 2010 16:38 mpm Inscribed thus: > On Apr 17, 10:32 am, Baron <baron.nos...(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> > wrote: >> mpm Inscribed thus: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Apr 16, 10:43 pm, Copacetic <Copace...(a)iseverythingalright.org> >> > wrote: >> >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:26:01 -0700, Charlie E. >> >> <edmond...(a)ieee.org> wrote: >> >> >> >It is a pressure thing. There is a constriction in the cold >> >> >line, and it has lower pressure than the hot line. You have to >> >> >really crank the cold, and really diminish the hot to get the >> >> >pressures equalized. >> >> >> No. Both pipes have the same pressure. Hot water gets used less >> >> from a FLOW standpoint because less is needed to arrive at the >> >> desired operating temperature. >> >> >> All the pipes in your house all have the same pressure behind >> >> them. >> >> >> Pressures in a given pipe can be reduced, but only by way of FLOW >> >> elsewhere in the system. >> >> > Just to clarify for anyone who might help, here.... >> > I can be the only one home - with no other water being used (not >> > even the icemaker), and this problem can still occur. >> > It does not happen all the time, but when it does (or doesn't), it >> > does not appear to be related to any water use elsewhere in the >> > house. Mine is a single-story home on a private lot. City water & >> > sewer. (Not an apartment or multi-family anything.) >> >> Its not unknown for debris to build up in the pipe and lodge in a >> bend to cause varying water pressure and flow. >> >> Someone also mentioned that the water pressure would be the same for >> both hot and cold supplies. This is not always true. One supply >> could be from a header tank and the other from the main supply. So >> they would have different pressures. Also the flow rate would depend >> upon the size of the smallest pipe in that supply. >> >> -- >> Best Regards: >> Baron.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Water comes from the city. > Enters the house at the side yard - one pipe only. > I have a standard water heater (80 gallons, electric). Not an inline > one. Yes, mine is similar. We used to have a hot water system where there was a cold water header tank in the loft feeding the hot tank on the ground. I could pee quicker than the shower. If someone flushed a toilet or the washer started a rinse cycle the water would suddenly get very hot. Its all been replaced now by a high pressure system. Anyway I wasn't too happy about having half a ton of water residing in the loft. > I take pretty quick showers - maybe 10 minutes? > With the occasional "run till cold" if I get a really bad headache > from the sea of morons that surround us! :-) > > -mpm (OP) -- Best Regards: Baron.
From: Archimedes' Lever on 17 Apr 2010 16:45 On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:38:26 +0100, Baron <baron.nospam(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote: >mpm Inscribed thus: > >> On Apr 17, 10:32�am, Baron <baron.nos...(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> >> wrote: >>> mpm Inscribed thus: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Apr 16, 10:43�pm, Copacetic <Copace...(a)iseverythingalright.org> >>> > wrote: >>> >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:26:01 -0700, Charlie E. >>> >> <edmond...(a)ieee.org> wrote: >>> >>> >> >It is a pressure thing. �There is a constriction in the cold >>> >> >line, and it has lower pressure than the hot line. �You have to >>> >> >really crank the cold, and really diminish the hot to get the >>> >> >pressures equalized. >>> >>> >> No. Both pipes have the same pressure. �Hot water gets used less >>> >> from a FLOW standpoint because less is needed to arrive at the >>> >> desired operating temperature. >>> >>> >> All the pipes in your house all have the same pressure behind >>> >> them. >>> >>> >> Pressures in a given pipe can be reduced, but only by way of FLOW >>> >> elsewhere in the system. >>> >>> > Just to clarify for anyone who might help, here.... >>> > I can be the only one home - with no other water being used (not >>> > even the icemaker), and this problem can still occur. >>> > It does not happen all the time, but when it does (or doesn't), it >>> > does not appear to be related to any water use elsewhere in the >>> > house. Mine is a single-story home on a private lot. �City water & >>> > sewer. (Not an apartment or multi-family anything.) >>> >>> Its not unknown for debris to build up in the pipe and lodge in a >>> bend to cause varying water pressure and flow. >>> >>> Someone also mentioned that the water pressure would be the same for >>> both hot and cold supplies. �This is not always true. �One supply >>> could be from a header tank and the other from the main supply. �So >>> they would have different pressures. �Also the flow rate would depend >>> upon the size of the smallest pipe in that supply. >>> >>> -- >>> Best Regards: >>> Baron.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> Water comes from the city. >> Enters the house at the side yard - one pipe only. >> I have a standard water heater (80 gallons, electric). Not an inline >> one. > >Yes, mine is similar. > >We used to have a hot water system where there was a cold water header >tank in the loft feeding the hot tank on the ground. I could pee >quicker than the shower. If someone flushed a toilet or the washer >started a rinse cycle the water would suddenly get very hot. Its all >been replaced now by a high pressure system. Anyway I wasn't too happy >about having half a ton of water residing in the loft. > >> I take pretty quick showers - maybe 10 minutes? >> With the occasional "run till cold" if I get a really bad headache >> from the sea of morons that surround us! :-) >> >> -mpm (OP) This is also where you got all of your bent brained "thermal physics" at. Your knowledge of the subject rests at a firm NIL.
From: krw on 17 Apr 2010 18:08 On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:21:46 -0700, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote: >On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:06:59 +0100, Baron ><baron.nospam(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote: > >>krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz Inscribed thus: >> >>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:34:49 +0100, Baron >>> <baron.nospam(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote: >>> >>>>Copacetic Inscribed thus: >>> >>>>> Think before you refute. Otherwise you re-size your mouth with >>>>> your >>>>> foot. >>>> >>>>I don't think that you have said anything that proves me wrong. >>> >>> If you're agreeing with DimBulb, you're most likely wrong. DimBulb is >>> particularly dense when it comes to thermodynamics (hence the name >>> "DimBulb"). He's also known as AlwaysWrong, for good reason. >>> >>> I'll net MichaelT give you the complete list of Nymbecile's nyms (he's >>> closing in on 100 of 'em), so you know who you're talking to, here, in >>> the future. >> >>He's good for a bit of chain yanking. :-) > > KRW is not good for anything, and you sucking up to his retarded >horseshit means that you aren't good for much either, asswipe. Since you said I'm not good for anything and you *are* always wrong, well, thanks! ...and you, being always wrong, is good for something, AlwaysWrong?
From: krw on 17 Apr 2010 18:13 On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:25:34 -0700, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote: >On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:59:44 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> >>I am leaning towards the trashed valve notion myself... (?) > > Turn on all hot. Got flow? Turn on all cold. Got flow? > > If the answer to both questions is "yes" then you do not have a mixing >valve problem. AlwaysWrong gets it wrong again. Surprise, surprise.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 17 Apr 2010 19:32
Baron wrote: > > krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz Inscribed thus: > > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:34:49 +0100, Baron > > <baron.nospam(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote: > > > >>Copacetic Inscribed thus: > > > >>> Think before you refute. Otherwise you re-size your mouth with > >>> your > >>> foot. > >> > >>I don't think that you have said anything that proves me wrong. > > > > If you're agreeing with DimBulb, you're most likely wrong. DimBulb is > > particularly dense when it comes to thermodynamics (hence the name > > "DimBulb"). He's also known as AlwaysWrong, for good reason. > > > > I'll net MichaelT give you the complete list of Nymbecile's nyms (he's > > closing in on 100 of 'em), so you know who you're talking to, here, in > > the future. > > He's good for a bit of chain yanking. :-) Too bad it isn't a chainsaw. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |