From: Eeyore on


jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:

> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> >> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> When everybody gets everything equally, nobody is
> >> >> >> allowed to be wealthy. Thus, all are poor, equally poor, but
> >> >> >> poor.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Even communist Russia wasn't run like that !
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course it was. Only the viscious of the managers got the
> >> >> power.
> >> >
> >> >We were talking about wealth, albeit rather limited wealth in that era.
> >>
> >> And look how their agriculture suffered. How people get food is a clue
> >> to their economy, social structure, trade and power.
> >
> >This has absolutely nothing to do with degress of wealth under communism.
>
> If that is true then I've been wasting all of my studying time.
> However, I haven't wasted my time; you can tell a lot from
> old grocery lists.

The 'wealth' of the favoured few wasn't perhaps so obvious. It might have been a
better apartment and access to party shops with better produce or for the real
high-ups a dacha in the country, your own car with a driver perhaps and so on.

Graham

From: Eeyore on


jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:

> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> >> krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote:
> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says...
> >>>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
> >>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>For me hex and hex were the same thing. I worked for year in
> >>>>>>an octal environment. I'd never be able to convert to hex.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>In a different world it was said of one bit god,
> >>>>>the patron saint of cpm, that "For him, assembler
> >>>>>is a high level language."
> >>>>
> >>>>If you want to dabble in machine lanugage and not have to struggle
> >>>>with binary arithmetic, play with IBM's 1620.
> >>>
> >>>Ah, the CADET (Can't Add, Didn't Even Try). Addressing was still
> >>>binary, no? (long before my time)
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think it was. I never knew about binary until I met
> >> a PDP-10. I had no idea about bases other than 10. There
> >> were a few math problems that dealt with converting logs
> >> in my past, but nothing was tied to reality. They were just
> >> logic problems that were fun to do but never used.
> >
> >Yet you're old enough to have used a slide rule.
>
> Yup. I used it for a few physics problems but did the
> arithmetic by hand instead. I got "better" answers.

Heck, even I'm old enought to have used a slide rule. I still must have one
somewhere !

Graham


From: Eeyore on


Eeyore wrote:

> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >To keep the comparison fair, the machinery of that age was much
> > >better designed and wasn't on a short replacement cycle. Well
> > >after WW2 my mother didn't replace the washing machine till
> > >my parenst decided to buy a fancy new automatic washer. Even then
> > >the wringer washer was held as a spare in case the fancy one broke
> > >down. Eventually I pulled it apart for the motor which saw
> > >various uses for more than a decade afterwards.
> >
> > And the backup to the wringer was the washboard, which invariably
> > ate one's knuckles.
>
> One of my neighbours to this day still doesn't even have a washing machine.

I nearly forgot. The neighbour on the other side doesn't have a TV, nor has he
ever had one AFAIK.

Neither have proper hi-fis either.

Graham

From: Eeyore on


jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:

> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
> >unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
> >>Ken Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> The world government I see forming will be a very strictly secular one.
> >>> The US has the seperation of church and state because the founders saw the
> >>> horrors that results when you mix the two. A world government would have
> >>> the seperation for different and very practical reasons. Even within
> >>> Islam, there is a great deal of disagreement about what the rules really
> >>> are.
> >>
> >>They remain in a medieval tribal mindset. Nothing else matters.
> >
> >Actually a great deal else matters. The fact that they can't agree among
> >themselves makes them weak. They won't all follow any given leader. They
> >will fight among themselves.
>
> This will happen after the West is destroyed.

And how do you think that's going to happen ?

Graham

From: Eeyore on


unsettled wrote:

> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> >>> krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote:
> >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says...
> >>>>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>For me hex and hex were the same thing. I worked for year in
> >>>>>>>an octal environment. I'd never be able to convert to hex.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>In a different world it was said of one bit god,
> >>>>>>the patron saint of cpm, that "For him, assembler
> >>>>>>is a high level language."

CP/M was written in my favourite language ( PL/M ).


> >>>>>If you want to dabble in machine lanugage and not have to struggle
> >>>>>with binary arithmetic, play with IBM's 1620.
> >>>>
> >>>>Ah, the CADET (Can't Add, Didn't Even Try). Addressing was still
> >>>>binary, no? (long before my time)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I don't think it was. I never knew about binary until I met
> >>>a PDP-10. I had no idea about bases other than 10. There
> >>>were a few math problems that dealt with converting logs
> >>>in my past, but nothing was tied to reality. They were just
> >>>logic problems that were fun to do but never used.
> >>
> >>Yet you're old enough to have used a slide rule.
> >
> >
> > Yup. I used it for a few physics problems but did the
> > arithmetic by hand instead. I got "better" answers.
>
> Then possibly you used logs without realizing it.

Ha ! Log tables. It's all coming back to me now.

How did we ever manage ! ?

Graham